Template talk:Philippine coups

Can the last three articles link to only 1 destination? I would discourage that the title link to an article and the date itself, unless ofcourse it is a policy or a wikipedia style. Other than that I have no problems. Thanks for any grammatical/technical corrections etc. :) --Noypi380 16:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand the first question, I'm afraid. As to the date:

27 March 2006

March 27 2006

You should have seen those as being identical, though when you look at the coding, they're different. That's the rason for linking all full dates. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, okay then. On the question, for example, I find "May 1 riots (2001)" simpler and easier to navigate than "May 1 riots (2001)". Well, in my opinion. Is the latter part of wikipedia style? :) --Noypi380 03:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. You see, I see those two very differently; the former I see as "May 1 riots", the latter as "1 May riots". You probably see them the same, because you have your preferences set differently from mine. By linking on the Wikipedia way, we each see the date in the order to which we're accustomed. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:57, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes! I got it now. The preferences set for you and I are different. Okay, I understand now why you edited the way you did. Pardon for the rv. Thanks for taking time to explain. :) --Noypi380 03:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

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What about all the coups led by Gringo Honasan in the 1980s? They were attempts at regime change. We should mention them. 203.215.120.161 03:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, Gregorio Honasan led two in August 1987 and December 1989. 1986-1989 alone had 7/8 attempts, I think. Though on historical notability Honasan and Tolentino are the most important. But the Honasan and Toletntino articles will be placed here only after the articles are made. No stubs please, lol. :) The Tolentino attempt article though should be created first, since the series navigates temporarily to his bio. :) I want to start it myself but I have no data, and its not even in the historical mainstream. :) --Noypi380 03:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I made links...temporarily to his bio. We have to create articles for the attempt themselves of Tolentino and Honasan. :) --Noypi380 04:32, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Transform this to like an elections navbox

We have Category:Coups d'état navigational boxes for models. We can even sort to alleged, attempted and successful. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:23, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Here's an example:

Howard the Duck (talk) 19:37, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@Howard the Duck: How about we delete this template (because it would be an implausible redirect) and make a new one? I would actually prefer {{Coup d'état}}'s format for this one. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 01:20, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Like this one:

—hueman1 (talk • contributions) 01:29, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

The templates in Category:Coups d'état navigational boxes actually have different formats, but the one I proposed most closely follows how the elections infoboxes (which are near universal in how they look) look like. What makes the format in {{Coup d'état}} work is that it is nicely divided into decades, and encompasses several countries. Yours has variable periods (400 years, 90 years, 10 years, then 1+ years running) and just one country.

Other countries' and the primary coups since 1991 navbox distinguish successful, attempted and alleged coups. Yours should've done this as well if we're following their format.

I actually like how {{Bolivian coups}} but distinguishing successful, attempted and alleged coups can be hard. I can't even see the asterisks and daggers on that one. Here's how it'll work:

On creating a new template: That could work, but we can just rename this template, add entries, and edit the 11 articles this is transcluded into to place it at the bottom. I would've recommended TFD if this was transcluded into 20+ articles it would've been hard to fix that (TBH, at 20 articles it still is manageable).

Remember, coups are like elections, as these show changes in government, albeit not peacefully unlike elections, so at the very least, we'd have to mimic how the elections navboxes look like. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:30, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Howard the Duck: We can ditch the years from my navbox proposal above and follow the whole Bolivian format instead. Election navbox format could work but are other countries using it? —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 13:35, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Like I said, there are a variety of formats. The elections format is almost copied wholesale by {{Bolivian coups}}, {{Fijian coups}}, {{Qatari coups}} and {{Nigerien coups}}. Then there is {{Military coups in Greece}} that segregates successful from unsuccessful ones, and uses full dates. There is {{Military coups in Turkey}} that segregates Ottoman from Turkish successful coups, and unsuccessful ones. {{Thai coups}} is different as it uses actual names in links instead of just years, and has a rather confusing categorization. Then, there's the monstrosity that is {{Brazilian coups}}. I'm rather disappointed why there aren't any more navboxes from the Americas, as coups were pretty common there. IMHO, I'd prefer to follow the elections navboxes: either categorize it by types (but not by time period) or not. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:08, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

If you say so. However, "RegchangePH" should be deleted as it is an implausible redirect to the proposed {{Philippine coups}} template. No one will ever use it again after the creation of Template:Philippine coups. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 16:45, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

I suppose you can RFD that. In the old days, templates are named this way, it was only recently that template names became recognizable English words... Howard the Duck (talk) 16:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

So I've transformed this sidebar to a navbox. I do recommend on keeping the old name as a redirect though as some pages link (not transclude) to it and the relevance will be lost if its deleted. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Grouping into successful, attempted, self-coups; removing rebellions and some alleged coups.

There's a mock up of how grouping look like. As for removals, these are:

• Philippine Revolution: Not a coup
• Hukbalahap Rebellion: Same as above
• Philippine–American War: Same as above
• Alleged ouster plots against Rodrigo Duterte: Nothing happened to these

Howard the Duck (talk) 14:40, 23 August 2022 (UTC)