User talk:Arkpro

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Reverted changes to Ocean Gardian and related Shark articles

Arkpro I have reverted all your edits you made today to Ocean Guardian (Shark Shield), Shark barrier and Shark attack prevention. All your edits appear to be promoting Ocean Guardian related products and deleting information that is negative to Ocean Guardian. I also note that you have previously been requested to advise any conflict of interest on your Talk page and you have failed to do so. I am concerned that you have a conflict of interest as per WP:Conflict. Happy to discuss. Ilenart626 (talk) 10:57, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Post from Arkpro on User talk:ilenart626 page copied below for completness:

Hi llenart626, thank you for your message below. I don't believe any negative information was removed related to Ocean Guardian in these edits or promotional material added. The additions and edits related directly to the company's announcement of an electrical shark barrier, added to the company's page and shark barrier page, and the other edits based on published research related to the technology efficacy which was added to the relative sections in the company and shark attack prevention. All factual supportive data references to additions and edits where provided. The only historical negative information edit I have made was a fictitious refence to people dying wearing Ocean Guardian devices, and to resolve this I added a new section that detailed the factual reference details of shark attacks related to shark shield technology. I do not have a conflict, and the information I'm providing to support readers knowledge is not promoting material, it is factual supported data. I'd argue the other way, that their are parties attempting to discredit their safety technology which a growing body of research clearly supports saves lives. Please review again the edits made in light of the above to reinstate, Thanks.

Hi Arkpro, thanks for confirming you do not have a conflict. To avoid this issue in your future edits I would suggest you update your user page. You do not need to include very much, refer to my own User:Ilenart626 user page.

Regarding your edits, I would suggest that including Ocean Guardian claims and referencing Ocean Guardian websites should be minimised to ensure a WP:NOPV is maintained. I would place more emphasis on third party information and references.

I agree that there are lots of edits that are pushing various technologies. I have made a number of reversals of negative information relating to shark shield technology. However, as per WP:NPOV you need to include both the positive and negative information. Hence your comment ..only historical negative information edit I have made was a fictitious refence to people dying wearing Ocean Guardian devices.. There are a number of coronor's reports that have investigated sharks attacks whilst divers have been wearing Sharkshield devices, refer to the details in Ocean Guardian (Shark Shield)#Shark attacks involving Shark Shield Technology. Therefore I do not agree with you deleting ...and divers have been attacked whilst wearing Shark Shield.

Arkpro as a way forward can I suggest we move this discussion to the talk pages of Talk:Shark attack prevention, Talk:Shark barrier and Talk:Ocean Guardian (Shark Shield). When I get time I'll make some specific comments on your edits on these pages. Other Wiki editors can then join these discussions. You can then decide if you wish to amend your edits. Ilenart626 (talk) 12:27, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ilenart626, I'm still a little confused with your comment because the edits did not include Ocean Guardian claims or reference Ocean Guardian websites, other than their press release on a new product, which is just that, a press release on a new product which should remain on their page, I'd hardly think they'd fabricated the shark barrier product announcement. Again, the other edit was related to the independent peer reviewed research posted on the Royal Society website.

Lastly I'd like to make an observation, unverified statements like "attacked whilst wearing Shark Shield" do not help build confidence on why consumers and governments should adopt this kind of safety technology, rather than kill sharks and harm the environment etc. which is why I added the new section so it's clear under what circumstances the specific incidents occurred. No safety products or devices offer 100% protection under any circumstance, you can only reduce or mitigate risk, I do not see a list of fatalities under the heading "bike helmet" or "seat belt" so the adding the section "Shark attacks involving shark shield technology" was not a good idea of mine, but better than a broad statement eroding the possibility of these types of products saving lives.

I'm actually not very familiar with Wikipedia editing, it's just a passing interest and it took me nearly four hours to get the posts in question done so I'm happy to leave it and let everyone else chat about the new information I've found. I don't even use social media ha-ha. Thanks and I'll keep watching. Talk:Shark attack prevention, Talk:Shark barrier and Talk:Ocean Guardian (Shark Shield)Ilenart626

Hi Arkpro, understand your position, however note that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with three core principals: neutral point of view, verifiability, and no original research. Therefore we need to be careful we are not promoting a company's product. I am also support promoting safety, however put simply, Wiki's job is to state the facts. And the fact is people have been attacked whilst wearing shark shield, so the products are not perfect. However, note that the Shark Shield technology is given prominence by having its own Wiki page, plus it is the 2nd item in the "Other Protection Methods" on the Shark Prevention page.

I would also encourage you to keep editing. I am the creator of the Shark Attack Prevention page and I would shudder to think how many hours / days I have spent editing that page! Ilenart626 (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]