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- Thanks, Alphachimp. In fact, it turned out that for the German Wikipedia, I can use the software without approval. Thanks anyway. Happy Christmas! Greetings from Germany. --Asdert 22:06, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit]Thanks for your offer. I've started a discussion on my talk page. Thanks. --Samuel Wantman 20:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
East Germany denial
[edit]Are you from some sort of East Germany denial group?? If you read Ulf Merbold's wikiarticle it is clear that he was an East German citizen who defected to West Germany. In List of space travelers by name and List of astronauts by name you boldly displayed your ignorance and wrote "Removed wrong flag for Merbold" and "Merbold corrected - wrong flag". Do you have some reliable sources backing up your claim? Necessary Evil 00:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Necessary Evil! Sure, Merbold was East German between 1949 and 1960, but at the time of his space flight he was West German citizen. Do previous nationalities count? For all the Russian cosmonauts after 1992, starting with Kaleri and Viktorenko there are Russian flags displayed, although they were born as Soviet citizens. So why should Merbold have a GDR flag? This is not a case of DDR-leugnung as you put it, as I agree on the GDR flag for Jähn. But why does he have one flag in the one list, and two flags in the other? --Asdert 00:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- West Germany didn't recognised East Germany, so Merbold had a double citizenship in 1978 when he joined ESA and in 1983 when he flew in space. There are many US astronauts with two flags on the lists. Regarding Sigmund Jähn, I'm opposed to placing the unified Germany's flag, since he was retired in 1990. Wikipedia is under construction so he only flies two flags in one article, I suppose. There is no purpose in placing the USSR cosmonauts' present CIS republic flag if they're retired. Since a lot of US astronauts display their original nationality, it may be correct with your suggestion. Necessary Evil 01:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- I note that there is no definition for the meaning of the flags. What exactly shall they demonstrate? The nationality(-ies) at the time of retirement? Then it is okay for the Russian/Ukranian/Kazakh cosmonauts, but not for Merbold and Jähn. Any previous nationality? Then we would need to correct all the Ex-Soviets, but as you pointed out on your talk page (which I discovered later) that would really cause confusion. If it is really about previous nationalities, I guess you have to add the Czechoslovak flag to Ivan Bella's line, too. And I guess you are not right about Merbold's dual citizenship. It is true that West Germany didn't recognize East Germany, and when Merbold crossed the border he was immediately recognized as citizen of the FRG, but fleeing from the GDR usually resulted in a revocation of the East German citizenship and loss of all civil rights. I wouldn't count Merbold as an East German astronaut, and I am sure neither did the East German government. But maybe we should go to one of the two talk pages and discuss the definition of the flag before discussing a special case. What do you think? --Asdert 09:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- Good idea, let's ask the other wikipedians for guidelines regarding double flags. Anousheh Ansari also fled from her country like Merbold, but she has got an Iranian flag next to the Stars and Stripes. She's not considered Iran's first astronaut, Taylor Wang is from China, but isn't considered a Chinese taikonaut... Necessary Evil 15:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- I note that there is no definition for the meaning of the flags. What exactly shall they demonstrate? The nationality(-ies) at the time of retirement? Then it is okay for the Russian/Ukranian/Kazakh cosmonauts, but not for Merbold and Jähn. Any previous nationality? Then we would need to correct all the Ex-Soviets, but as you pointed out on your talk page (which I discovered later) that would really cause confusion. If it is really about previous nationalities, I guess you have to add the Czechoslovak flag to Ivan Bella's line, too. And I guess you are not right about Merbold's dual citizenship. It is true that West Germany didn't recognize East Germany, and when Merbold crossed the border he was immediately recognized as citizen of the FRG, but fleeing from the GDR usually resulted in a revocation of the East German citizenship and loss of all civil rights. I wouldn't count Merbold as an East German astronaut, and I am sure neither did the East German government. But maybe we should go to one of the two talk pages and discuss the definition of the flag before discussing a special case. What do you think? --Asdert 09:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- West Germany didn't recognised East Germany, so Merbold had a double citizenship in 1978 when he joined ESA and in 1983 when he flew in space. There are many US astronauts with two flags on the lists. Regarding Sigmund Jähn, I'm opposed to placing the unified Germany's flag, since he was retired in 1990. Wikipedia is under construction so he only flies two flags in one article, I suppose. There is no purpose in placing the USSR cosmonauts' present CIS republic flag if they're retired. Since a lot of US astronauts display their original nationality, it may be correct with your suggestion. Necessary Evil 01:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
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