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DamOTclese loaded down with chainsaw, trauma medical kit, fire extinguisher, and everything else out in the real world, getting exercise and making a difference.

Public Watch List

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See my User:Damotclese User page for details about which pages I work with.

Current Activities

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Updated 01/May/15

  • I reduced the number of RFC channels that I'll respond to, there are just so many pages one can watch or maintain or answer discussions about in a day, and I've been getting bogged down in wilderness safety training this year.
  • Taking a look again at the Scientology crime syndicate's The Delphian School page which is basically a stub.
  • Finished adding section Examples of Situation Awareness On The Job to Situation Awareness -- The page continues to be updated from time to time however a formal re-write to organize the page really is needed.
  • Looked at Investment Industry Regulatory Organization of Canada which has a conflict on-going. One of the issues right now on that article is that it lacks WP:NPOV in that the phrase false allegations is not neutral. That was resolved however it is still subject to ideology-based edits so I continue to watch it.
  • The Crystal Lake Recreation Area page had a Talk comment about how some section of it appearsed to be advertising. I need to fix that but also the page is generally containing obsolete information. UPDATE: The individual who suggested the page contains advertising never responded for specific suggestions on how to correct the text she found needed to be fixed.
  • Need to create Curve Fire page. It is referenced in various places, notably the Windy Gap Trail page. UPDATE: The history of the Curve Fire may be getting supplanted on the Internet by the effects of the Colby Fire which also needs a page to be created.
  • (Finished) Talk:M-87_Orkan Chemical munitions were not found deployed in Iraq, nor were any such munitions interdicted on their way to Iraq. Responded to RFC. UPDATE: The RFC was adopted however the page still needs to be watched in case the issue returns.
  • Looking at the Boy Scouts of America entry, thinking that it is greatly inaccurate though noting that it is not very likely that the religious among us will welcome accurate updates to the entry. Update: The entry on the BSofA is being updated routinely anyway so I won't be doing any active editing.
  • Bridge To Nowhere in the San Gabriel Mountains -- The trail along East Fork is covered by several million pounds of rock at about 1.56 miles in, North 34 degrees 15.440 by West 117 degrees 45.053 at 2271 feet altitude.
  • Resolved and closed a dispute on the File 18 entry -- which was a silly dispute easily ruled.
  • Watching MMR vaccine controversy again since a WP:SAP is making inappropriate edits despite assistance from a number of editors to revert broken links and other ideology-based proposed updates.
  • Also I have to wonder what happened to User:BiologistBabe who was working on a number of pages. She works in the arena of infectious diseases so I hope nothing happened to her.
  • Adding Scientology's Narconon frauds to my watchlist since there are a number of criminal indictments and civil lawsuits which will likely prompt further vandalism from Scientology people. In fact I suppose I should dive back in to that mess for a while since there will be a push to vandalize Scientology pages when David Miscavigie is dragged in to court in Comal County, Texas.
Some of the warring editors in this have been sending our solicitation emails to people asking them to come and take their sides in the discussion.

Pacific Crest Trail Association

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There needs to be a new page for Pacific Crest Trail Association which is being referenced on the Pacific Crest Trail page. That should be created along with the Angeles_volunteer_association and San Gabriel Mountains Trailbuilders and West Fork Conservancy pages, all of which work on or surrounding the PCT. Damotclese (talk) 17:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AVA page created today Damotclese (talk) 19:32, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

--> Past Talk Page Archives <--

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Because I get a lot of RFC requests I move them to archives, generally twice a year. If you are looking for previous information on my Talk, you can find them in these archives. I used to just delete old stuff so if you're wanting to go back even further, ah well, that's too bad, it's gone forever:

November 2017

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Notability (music)

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Notability (music). Legobot (talk) 04:27, 1 November 2017 (UTC) I commented on this. Damotclese (talk) 15:38, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:University of Notre Dame

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:University of Notre Dame. Legobot (talk) 04:28, 5 November 2017 (UTC) No time for this one. Damotclese (talk) 19:42, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of David Rice (author) for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article David Rice (author) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Rice (author) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Fyddlestix (talk) 04:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do you want me to comment on this? I know David appears in a number of documentaries and his books though I've only read his latest. BiologistBabe (talk) 15:56, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, please do comment on it. Damotclese (talk) 17:17, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:World Academy of Science, Engineering and Technology

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:World Academy of Science, Engineering and Technology. Legobot (talk) 04:26, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Template talk:Watchlist legend

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Template talk:Watchlist legend. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 12 November 2017 (UTC) I don't know enough about templates to comment accurately on this. Damotclese (talk) 19:27, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Juventus F.C.

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Juventus F.C.. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 15 November 2017 (UTC) I commented on this. Damotclese (talk) 16:58, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BRD

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Please agree at FOOTY. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:59, 16 November 2017 (UTC) No thanks, whatever that is. I'm not going to click on that link. 19:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Side Effects (2013 film)

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Side Effects (2013 film). Legobot (talk) 04:28, 19 November 2017 (UTC) I commented on this. Damotclese (talk) 18:01, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). Legobot (talk) 04:29, 22 November 2017 (UTC) No time for this today. Damotclese (talk) 19:47, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Plastic Beach

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Plastic Beach. Legobot (talk) 04:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC) Stupid idiot nonsense. Damotclese (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

December 2017

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Please comment on Talk:Current members of the United States Senate

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Current members of the United States Senate. Legobot (talk) 04:26, 1 December 2017 (UTC) I commented on this. More information is always better than less. This is an encyclopedia, after all. Damotclese (talk) 17:59, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom 2017 election voter message

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Hello, Damotclese. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

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If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Demisexuality

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Demisexuality. Legobot (talk) 04:26, 4 December 2017 (UTC) I don't have time for this. Damotclese (talk) 03:10, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Tudeh Party of Iran

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Tudeh Party of Iran. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 7 December 2017 (UTC) No thanks. Damotclese (talk) 03:21, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Legobot (talk) 04:28, 10 December 2017 (UTC) No time. Damotclese (talk) 03:22, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Template talk:Yesno

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Template talk:Yesno. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 13 December 2017 (UTC) No time. Damotclese (talk) 03:22, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Israel

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Israel. Legobot (talk) 04:31, 16 December 2017 (UTC) LOL! I'm not going to comment on the terrorist State's "recognition." Damotclese (talk) 15:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Spire Credit Union

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Spire Credit Union. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 20 December 2017 (UTC) Alas, I have no time to comment. Damotclese (talk) 02:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Categorizing redirects

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Categorizing redirects. Legobot (talk) 04:28, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Apple Maggot Quarantine Area

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Apple Maggot Quarantine Area. Legobot (talk) 04:28, 26 December 2017 (UTC) I commented on this, there uis a minor question of simple wording that makes everyone happy. :) I offered another suggestion. Damotclese (talk) 19:23, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers. Legobot (talk) 04:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC) Template stuff I don't know anything about. Damotclese (talk) 17:40, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

January 2018

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Please comment on Talk:Classical music

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Classical music. Legobot (talk) 04:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC) Ha! Too complicated, I'll leave it to the other editors. Damotclese (talk) 16:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Pink tide

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Pink tide. Legobot (talk) 04:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC) I commented on this. Some right wing anti-Democracy extremists think there is something called a "pink tide" which is a Republican extremist ideology lacking in legitimate references or citations. Damotclese (talk) 03:10, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Bitcoin scalability problem

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Bitcoin scalability problem. Legobot (talk) 04:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC) I commented on this and I also added the page to my watchlist. Damotclese (talk) 15:59, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:2009 (Glee)

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:2009 (Glee). Legobot (talk) 04:27, 11 January 2018 (UTC) I commented on this, I don't see any confusion. Damotclese (talk) 17:23, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Gråen

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Gråen. Legobot (talk) 04:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC) No time for this. Damotclese (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:American Flagg!

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:American Flagg!. Legobot (talk) 04:28, 19 January 2018 (UTC) Enough editors have commented so I will no. Looks like an offending user needs to be banned. Damotclese (talk) 18:09, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Edit filter

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Edit filter. Legobot (talk) 04:29, 22 January 2018 (UTC) I have no idea what this is so I will not comment. Other editors have already commented. Damotclese (talk) 16:14, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 25 January 2018 (UTC) I commented on this. Damotclese (talk) 15:59, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. Legobot (talk) 04:25, 29 January 2018 (UTC) I commented on this. When something is inaccurate it needs to be updated or it should be removed. Damotclese (talk) 16:13, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

February 2018

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Please comment on Talk:Bitcoin Cash

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The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Bitcoin Cash. Legobot (talk) 04:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC) I commented on this, the survey tends to indicate support for including the proposed explanation of forks. Generally more information is better than less when suitable references and citations are offered. Damotclese (talk) 16:13, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abuse of multiple accounts

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abusing multiple accounts. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but not for illegitimate reasons, and any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted.
If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:34, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Day LA, March 31

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Wikipedia Day LA 2018

Please join us from 10:00 am - 5:00 pm on Saturday, March 31st for Wikipedia Day LA 2018 at the Ace Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. There will be speakers, panel discussions, a presentation on Wikidata, flash sessions, and a discussion about the formation of an LA User Group. There could be dramatic readings of LA-related talk pages, and there will be truly excellent cake. Please RSVP on the event page if you're thinking of joining us.

We hope to see you there! JSFarman (talk) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:19, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Arts Datathon!

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LA County Civic Arts Datathon!
Please join us for the LA County Arts Commission Civic Art Wikipedia Edit-a-thon. Beginners are welcome! We'll provide training for new editors.
(See the meetup page for more details.)
Friday, April 27, 2018, 9:00-5:00
 Bob Hope Patriotic Hall, 1816 S. Figueroa St., Los Angeles, CA 90015.
We hope to see you there! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:09, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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7th Annual Los Angeles Wiknic

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It's the 7th Annual Los Angeles Wiknic!

Sunday, September 30, 11:00-4:00 PM
Pan Pacific Park, 7600 Beverly Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90036
 Hang out. Consume crowd-sourced BBQ! Bask in the glory of late September in Los Angeles (and the glory
of our new user group, Wikimedians of Los Angeles).
RSVP (and volunteer) here.
We hope to see you there! JSFarman (talk) 02:50, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Invitation to attend a Southern California Regional mini Unconference

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Who: All Wikipedians & Wikimedians

What: Southern California Regional mini Unconference.

When: Sunday 3 March 2019, 2:00PM PST / 1400 until 4:10PM PST / 1610

Where: Philippe's at Chinatown, Los Angeles

Sponsor: San Diego Wikimedians User Group ( US-SAN )

Your host: RightCowLeftCoast (talk · contribs)

Please add your username to our attendees list so we know how many will be attending, due to the limited size of the cafe.

(Delivered: 00:38, 10 February 2019 (UTC) You can unsubscribe from future invitations to San Diego Wikimedians User Group events by removing your name from the WikiProject San Diego mass mailing list & the Los Angeles mass mailing list.)

Wikipedia Day LA, February 24, 2019

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Wikipedia Day LA 2019
Consider the Source

Please join the LA User Group, Wikimedians of Los Angeles, for an afternoon of panels, presentations and conversations on the subject of sources, and cake (locally sourced), in celebration of Wikipedia's 18th birthday.

Sunday, February 24, 1:00 PM-5:00 PM

The Ace Hotel (DTLA)

929 S Broadway, Los Angeles, CA 90015

For more details or to sign up, see Wikipedia Day LA, or RSVP via Eventbrite.

Everyone is welcome! We hope to see you there. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Art + Feminism 2019

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Art+Feminism 2019 Los Angeles Events!

Dear fellow Wikipedian,

You are invited to join Art+Feminism's annual worldwide Wikipedia edit-a-thon and help close Wikipedia's gender gap at one of these Los Angeles–area museums this March! RSVP/Details here.

  • Sunday, March 3: The Institute of Contemporary Art, Los Angeles (DTLA), Noon–5p. Focus: Women+Comedy.
  • Saturday, March 9: Vincent Price Art Museum at East Los Angeles College (Monterey Park), Noon–4p. Focus: Latinx+Non-Binary Artists.
  • Sunday, March 10: Hammer Museum (Westwood), Noon–5p. Focus: Women+Film+Media
  • Sunday, March 17: LACMA (Miracle Mile), Noon–5p. Focus: Women+Design+Craft
  • Sunday, March 31: California African American Museum (Exposition Park/USC), 1–4p. Focus: Women of CAAM.

These Los Angeles events are co-hosted by online magazine East of Borneo and include step-by-step Wikipedia instruction for beginners. Bring your laptop or tablet computer and any reference materials you'd like to work from or share. People of all gender expressions and identities are encouraged to attend.

I hope to see you there! StaceyEOB (talk)

- MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:05, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

UC Irvine edit-a-thon on May 17, 2019

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UC Irvine edit-a-thon on May 17, 2019

Dear fellow Wikipedian,

You are cordially invited to an edit-a-thon this Friday in Orange County, focused on gender equity. The event is a collaboration between UCI and Women in Red.

Friday, May 17, 2019
10:00 am – 4:00 pm PDT (UTC-7)
Langson Library, Room 228, at University of California, Irvine

Points of contact:

For more details, including the registration link, please see the meetup page. Everyone is welcome! We hope to see you there.

--Rosiestep (talk) 00:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging[reply]

Southern California Wiknic & Bonfire invitation

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270° panorama overlooking La Jolla Shores Beach as seen from the Martin Johnson House, Scripps Institute of Oceanography, during a late August sunset. Photo by Gregg M. Erickson

Who: All members of the public

What: Southern California Wiknic & Bonfire.

When: Sunday 1 September 2019, 2:00PM PDT / 1400 until 10:00PM PDT / 2200

Where: La Jolla Shores

Sponsor: San Diego Wikimedians User Group ( US-SAN )

Your host: RightCowLeftCoast (talk · contribs)

Please add your username to our attendees list so we know how many will be attending, and please add your intended potluck contribution to the list.

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Happy New Year from Wikimedians of Los Angeles!

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Happy New Year from Wikimedians of Los Angeles!


We're beginning to plan in-person and virtual events for 2022, and your support is needed as we re-launch the LA User Group.
Please get involved! If you have ideas, or if you're interested in helping to lead the group, leave a note at Ideas for 2022 on our talk page.


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--JSFarman (talk) 02:08, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LA to FA 2022

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LA to FA 2022

Dear Damotclese,

You're invited to a zoom call, taking place on February 11, with the goal of improving the article on Los Angeles to Featured article status! I often find it daunting to approach the Big Subjects on my own—so if you, like me, want a time to sit down with fellow dedicated editors and tackle something important and complex, this is the zoom for you! I, unfortunately, have no way to transmit snacks over zoom; but I trust you to exercise good judgement and discretion in selecting snacks of your own. Hope to see you there—if you're interested, add your name here!

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 00:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.[reply]

LA Meetup: February 17, 2024

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Edit-a-thon and Wikipedia Day Celebration

Please join Wikimedians of Los Angeles on Saturday, February 17 from 12:00 to 4:00 pm for a Los Angeles and West Hollywood-themed edit-a-thon at the West Hollywood Library. (For the details and to sign up, see Wikipedia:Meetup/Los Angeles/February 2024.)

We'll also be celebrating Wikipedia's 23rd birthday/Wikipedia Day. (There will be cake!)

We hope to see you there! JSFarman via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:03, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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