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It was me. But i have done it by using simple template {{hello}}, so it looks like authomatical message . Fauust (talk) 21:38, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Gut (Tageszeit), Kollege! Akzeptieren Sie als Geschenk eine Sache, die so geschrieben wird:
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wo "Hi" ist der Abschnitt, den Sie auf meiner Seite erstellt

Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Cherurbino (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanx for your greetings! Glücklische Neues Jahr und die besten Wünsche! Cherurbino (talk) 14:17, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Привет, DarDar, помните, что в англоязычной Википедии многие русскоязычные новостные сайты были забанены. Вы упомянули, например, Спутник, которого забанили. Вот список сайтов,[4] которые определенно забанены или определенно действительны.--Mhorg (talk) 08:04, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Надеюсь, что Forbes остаётся авторитетным источником:
Андрей Злобин (Forbes Staff). "«Никто меня не бил, пальцем не тронул»: Протасевич назвал слухами сообщения об избиении в СИЗО". Forbes (14 июня 2021).
Хорошо, что есть возможность общаться по-русски! --DarDar (talk) 08:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Oh yes. Re to this [5]:

Да здравствует наш Карабас удалой,
Уютно нам жить под его бородой,
И он никакой не мучитель,
А просто наш добрый учитель.
(Okudzhava)

Ironically, this is a song from a performance about Pinocchio. And P. does appear as Pinocchio on the video (fact-checker: 5 Pinocchio). And even Malvina is right there, arrested together with Pinocchio. As about Karbas Barabas, that is "bat'ka". It is just amazing how precisely the art can capture the past and the future. Of course it was another "bat'ka" in the past ("оказался наш отец не отцом а сукою" [6]).

Ребята, нас всех обманули,
Опять не туда завели.
Мы воздух свободы вдохнули,
а выдохнуть так не смогли.
...

Победных лозунгов круженье,
Самодовольством застлан свет…
А может, надобно крушенье,
Чтоб не стошнило от побед?

Нам нужен шок, простой и верный,
Удар по темечку лихой.
Иначе – запах ада скверный
Плывет над нашей головой.
(same Okudzhava [1])

My very best wishes (talk) 23:11, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is not difficult to predict. Both bards were very patriotic. What would remain from the Belorussian Station without the patriotic song by Okudzhava in the end of the movie? Nothing. This is a culmination. Same of course with Vysotsky (no need to cite). But they were not like Yulia Drunina (great respect to her) or Yunna Morits with her most recent poetry about NATO, etc. (if that is what you mean). We know that because Okudzhava wrote the poetry above in the end of his life and because Vysotsky also wrote this [7] and this [8]. In a way they were patriotic dissidents (unlike Drunina and Morits). But the real question is different: what we are going to do with our lives? [9]. Best regards, My very best wishes (talk) 14:40, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Перепрошивка сознания → цитата: Эксперт также приводит результаты интересного эксперимента, опубликованные на сайте американской академии наук. В течение 6 лет исследователи пытались дать ответ на вопрос, можно ли перепрограммировать человека ― его когнитивные и ценностные установки. "Грубо говоря, взять одного человека и сделать другого. Взять мирного человека и сделать революционера, или наоборот. Выяснилось, что вполне можно. И даже это вполне масштабируемо. Более того, результат эксперимента шокирует, потому что выборка была 1524 человека. Процесс в итоге оказался автоматизированным – был просто бот, который выдавал задания, контролировал исполнение, и в итоге в срок от 1,5 до 3 месяцев человек менялся полностью. Это ящик Пандоры, который открыт, корпорации будут счастливы сократить рекламные расходы и заменить их такой перепрошивкой сознания, а дальше для государств – это искушения контролировать избирателей другого государства", ― рассказывает Коктыш. Такие боты и программы, по мнению эксперта, может использовать неудовлетворенное меньшинство в каждой стране. Практика показывает, что 5% населения достаточно, чтобы сделать революцию, "и в этом плане мы вступаем в новую реальность, и функционирование созданного Протасевичем Telegram-канала многие технологии, может, по знанию, а может, интуитивно уже применяло", резюмировал эксперт.

Эта проблема меня напрягает больше всего остального. Сорри. --DarDar (talk) 15:59, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is nothing new. Various propaganda techniques were used for a long time. 5% населения достаточно, чтобы сделать революцию". Yes, Lenin proved just that a century ago ("give me a party of revolutionaries").

Сколько понадобилось лжи
В эти проклятые годы,
Чтоб разъярить и поднять на ножи
Армии, классы, народы.
Всем нам стоять на последней черте,
Всем нам валяться на вшивой подстилке,
Всем быть распластанным с пулей в затылке
И со штыком в животе.
(Maksimilan Voloshin, [2])

However, using such large-scale Big Lie/brainwashing can be done only by politicians with the "balls of steel" (as P. said), i.e. Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, CPC, modern-day rulers of Russia, Taliban, or even D. Trump (most Republicans in US still believe that the elections were stolen). The Belorussian or Russian oppositions are simply not from this league, and most important they really want to establish a democracy, rather than dictatorship or worse pursued by the leaders with the "balls of steel". Hence, the political commentator from Sputnik (news agency) was wrong, at least with regard of his intended "target". If anything, the fear of the Telegram channel only shows how the criminals in power are afraid of their own people. This is not to say that the future revolutions in Russia and Belarus will not happen. They will, but I do not think they will bring democracy, at least in Russia. Maybe something opposite, just as in 20th century. My very best wishes (talk) 19:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The actual problem/reason here is the political regime itself. By removing the democratic process such autocratic regimes do not allow the peaceful transfer of power. What remains is a violent revolution, a war, a natural death of the tyrant (rarely), or a palace coup (most commonly). That was understood very long time ago. As a proof I can cite Alexander Pushkin:

И слышит Клии страшный глас
За сими страшными стенами,
Калигуллы последний час
Он видит живо пред очами,
Он видит — в лентах и звездах,
Вином и злобой упое́нны
Идут убийцы потае́нны,
На лицах дерзость, в сердце страх.

Молчит неверный часовой,
Опущен молча мост подъёмный,
Врата отверсты в тьме ночной
Рукой предательства наёмной…
О стыд! о ужас наших дней!
Как звери, вторглись янычары!…
Падут бесславные удары…
Погиб увенчанный злодей. [3]

And that is exactly what had happen with Lenin and Stalin who both were most probably poisoned. And that is long time after this poem was written.My very best wishes (talk) 16:08, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Лукашенко обсудил с арабским бизнесменом диктатуру, демократию и инвестиции (28.06.2021). --DarDar (talk) 09:24, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, such political regimes are typically very stable, with monsters on the top replacing each other for centuries. If L. or P. die tomorrow, little will change in their countries. Hence "Ребята, нас всех обманули". Note that poets say above: "обманули", "Сколько понадобилось лжи". This captures the problem on the more general level, i.e. evil wins because he lies. See King Lear (1971 USSR film), one of the best Soviet films. It shows it. Admittedly, I oversimplify. It does matter who rules in an autocratic regime. Consider someone who actually did a lot of good like Gorbachev. An sure, L. leaving his post would trigger some important events. My very best wishes (talk) 14:37, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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My very best wishes (talk) 14:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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