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Use of "Catholic" in Wikipedia

The use of "Catholic" to refer only to the churches in union with the see of Rome is POV and deprecated in Wikipedia. Roman Catholic is one reasonable alternative, and there are other ways of addressing it, but what is not reasonable is to use "Catholic Church" to refer only to those in union with Rome. Moreover, it is certainly not correct to change the usage of Roman Catholic when it does in fact refer to the Latin church. Tb (talk) 20:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I must insist that you discuss the changes you have been making to Good Friday. Tb (talk) 21:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, making the same changes every day is not acceptible as a replacement for discussing them. You must discuss them, or cease editing the page. Tb (talk) 05:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your desire therefore is to say that the only churches entitled to the label "Catholic" are those in union with the Bishop of Rome. (And you have also made changes indicating that the Pope of Alexandria shouldn't get to be called Pope either.) You are entitled to your point of view, but the fact remains that it is your opinion and a controversial one at that. It is for exactly this reason that the page Catholicism contains a lengthy discussion of the question, and the page Roman Catholicism has that name. If there is a name for your church which does not express this POV-centric position, there is nothing wrong with using it, but you can't just run roughshod over existing consensus in your desire to make Wikipedia conform to your own point of view. Tb (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let it be clear: I object to your changes on Good Friday and to the other pages where you have made them, and I ask that you discuss it on the talk pages and seek consensus before you make the changes again. This is a Wikipedia requirement. Tb (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More of your POV-pushing: you consistently want to list Eastern Catholic before Eastern Orthodox, and keep rearranging that order, despite the huge numerical predominance of the Eastern Orthodox. In articles on Byzantine liturgical traditions, you consistently change "Greek-Catholic" into "Eastern Catholic", despite the existence of non-Byzantine Eastern Catholic churches. And about all these, you are well aware that your changes are controversial, and you have refused to discuss them, preferring instead to simply make the same changes, over and over again, day after day, without even edit summaries or explanations. This is not a cooperative procedure. Making the edit the first time is fine; once you learn that it is controversial, your correct procedure is to discuss it, and it is wrong to simply continue to make the same edit over and over again. Tb (talk) 20:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of changes

It is not permitted simply to make the same change over and over again without discussion. If there is a disagreement about which form the page should take, it must be discussed, on the talk page; you cannot simply continue to make the same change. Discussion is required, and only if consensus is reached, is the change to be made. Tb (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding reversions[1] made on June 1 2008 to Kathleen Sebelius

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Continuing to revert the article to your preferred form accomplishes nothing if you do not participate on the article's Talk page. Edit warring without communication (or even with communication) can get you blocked, especially when you are insisting on unproductively adding information which is already included in the article. (ESkog)^(Talk) 03:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Catholic

Hi, Dataproducts. I noticed in a recent edit to Eastern Orthodox Church you removed the word "Roman" from "Roman Catholic Church". This can cause some confusion, because the Orthodox Church considers itself to be the Catholic Church. If one is writing within a Roman Catholic mileu, or contrasting that church with Protestantism, there is no problem with saying "Catholic" or "Catholic Church" when refering to the Roman Catholic Church, but in a wider audience--which is what Wikipedia is--it is better to stick to the more descriptive term. Anglicans also consider themselves to be part of the Catholic Church, though many Roman Catholics would disagree. In the same manner, the expression "Orthodox Church" may be misleading to some, so it is better to say "Eastern Orthodox Church", even though Orthodox Christians themselves would feel it is somewhat inaccurate. So everybody compromises a little bit, and no one need be offended. Thanks. Sincerely, MishaPan (talk) 08:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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It seems like you have been being disruptive for months now. In fact, I am almost convinced you are only here to trying to push your personal POV, ignoring the fact that Wikipedia is NPOV and accepts multiple common usages. Just so you know, it is considered disruptive editing to add or remove the word "Roman" in association with the "Catholic Church". Please see here. You also have been inexplicably changing the order of phrases, for what seems like the sole purpose of giving your preferred institution prevalence by placing it first. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Because of this, nearly all of your recent edits have been, at the very least, not helpful, or even disruptive. I'd like to encourage you to be productive, so please feel free to find other ways to contribute, but I also want to know that you may be blocked if you are only here to push your POV and be disruptive. If you have questions about any of this, or want more information about other things you could do on wikipedia to help our, feel free to contact me or use {{helpme}}. Thanks.-Andrew c ^[talk] 23:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Mahony

I saw you added some material with a comment that you'd restore it again if deleted. However for a source you listed a forum. Forums aren't acceptable sources. See WP:V and WP:RS. Perhaps someone has made a similar comment in the L.A. Times or the OC Register. I'm going to remove it again, but you're welcome to restore it if you find an adequate source. Also, for purposes of neutrality, we try to avoid using the word "claimed". It implies skepticism about the truth of the assertion. "Said" or "states" are more neutral alternatives. See WP:WTA. Will Beback talk 06:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clamoper photos

Hi, ist it possible to move your ECV shots to commons? BR Polentario (talk) 16:12, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Editor has been contributing constructively for over four years. If there were a COI, it would have revealed itself by now. --Danger (talk) 23:17, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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For your many contributions to Articles on Southern California. Will Beback talk 09:11, 8 October 2011 (UTC) ][reply]

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As for Cerro San Luis Obispo, please read WP:NOR. "Personally witnessed by me" is not an acceptable source. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 12:17, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at Cerro San Luis Obispo, you may be blocked from editing. NeilN ^{talk to me} 06:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Still trying to add your unsourced opinion to this article, huh? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Latin is not a synonym for Roman

Latin rite and Roman rite are two different things with two different articles. Rwflammang (talk) 21:53, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're confused. Latin Rite and Roman Rite are exactly the same thing -- they're the rite of the Western Half of the Catholic Church. You're confusing a LITURGICAL RITE (Ambrosian/Milanese) with the rite of a specific church.

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