User talk:Evermore2/Archive 2
What's next?
[edit]I was just wondering who the subject of your next expansion will be? I hope Alexander Ostrovsky and Sergey Aksakov are coming up soon, for obvious reasons. I also wonder if I'll be able to convince you someday to help me with Nadezhda Khvoshchinskaya, as important Russian women novelists of the 19th century seem almost non-existent. The French have George Sand, we have Louisa May Alcott, and the English have Jane Austen, George Eliot, and the Brontës, but who do the Russian's have? The only authors with works in English, that I can think of, are Khvoshchinskaya and Evgenia Tur and maybe Lidia Veselitskaya, whose article I just expanded a bit. Avdotya Panaeva also seems like an interesting character, though more for her associations than her writing. Anastasya Verbitskaya is slightly known too. INeverCry 20:20, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
- You've mentioned Gleb Uspensky elsewhere... So it should be either him or Ostrovsky, I think. But Saltykov-Shchedrin still needs some facts checked/added.--Evermore2 (talk) 13:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- I've come across a curio from Sofia Kovalevskaya on SS - extraordinary was the very fact that it's been written in Swedish (before '91, for that was the year of her death) and only in 1934 was translated into Russian - and she mentions 7 'genius' authors of a certain period: Turgenev, Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Nekrasov, Goncharov, Saltykov (Shchedrin) and Khvoschinskaya (no mention of Gogol, probably because he belonged to a previous generation). So it must be Knvoschinskaya to hold the #1 spot in the XIX c. Top 10 Russian Women Writers chart - again, extraordinary, because I don't think she's known in Russia at all. Probably Zinaida Volkonskaya might have as good a claim for a top spot. Or may be Elena Blavatskaya, certainly my personal favourite)) But even this list shows how poor the contention would be. --Evermore2 (talk) 13:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'd love to see an expansion of Gleb Uspensky. Any interest in his cousin Nikolai? It seems interesting that he was one of Tolstoy's teachers at Yasnaya, and the idea of someone stabbing himself to death certainly jumps out at you. I've focused on Khvoshchinskaya and Evgenia Tur because scholarly editions of their works have recently been published here in the U.S. The novels Antonina by Tur and The Boarding-School Girl by Khvoshchinskaya are available with notes and introductions, and there's an old version of Tur's novel The Shalonsky Family. Volkonskaya looks more like a "jill of all trades" than a straight-up novelist.
- Stabbed himself? That's the man for me. Instantly brings Elliot Smith to mind... No, now I read thet Nikolai has actually cut his own throat. Still, an innovative way of protesting. Think I'll start on him, once the Saltykov article is over.--Evermore2 (talk) 12:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'd love to see an expansion of Gleb Uspensky. Any interest in his cousin Nikolai? It seems interesting that he was one of Tolstoy's teachers at Yasnaya, and the idea of someone stabbing himself to death certainly jumps out at you. I've focused on Khvoshchinskaya and Evgenia Tur because scholarly editions of their works have recently been published here in the U.S. The novels Antonina by Tur and The Boarding-School Girl by Khvoshchinskaya are available with notes and introductions, and there's an old version of Tur's novel The Shalonsky Family. Volkonskaya looks more like a "jill of all trades" than a straight-up novelist.
- blavatskaya (or blavatsky, as she's known in the West) is known more for "theosophy" and her involvement with occult subjects than her stories, and has been widely connected with adolf hitler and the nazis, especially their ideas on the "aryan race", which agree with the anti-semitic ideas put forth in blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine. I know of a volume of her ghost stories in English, but the above details left me with no interest in her, as I'm completely against anti-semitism. INeverCry 18:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Its never occured to me that she or any of her ideas could be seriously seen as anti-Semitic. But then, again, I've never able to plod through more than a couple of pages of The Secret Doctrine, so its not for me to judge. What I absolutely admire her for, though, is having been a complete nutter and such a free spirit. Alongside Volkonskaya, a kind of a breakthrough figure in the hopelessly dull history of a Russian Woman's spiritual and intellectual awakening. --Evermore2 (talk) 11:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- Another lady that we both forgot to mention is Karolina Pavlova. INeverCry 07:48, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
- Its never occured to me that she or any of her ideas could be seriously seen as anti-Semitic. But then, again, I've never able to plod through more than a couple of pages of The Secret Doctrine, so its not for me to judge. What I absolutely admire her for, though, is having been a complete nutter and such a free spirit. Alongside Volkonskaya, a kind of a breakthrough figure in the hopelessly dull history of a Russian Woman's spiritual and intellectual awakening. --Evermore2 (talk) 11:54, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- blavatskaya (or blavatsky, as she's known in the West) is known more for "theosophy" and her involvement with occult subjects than her stories, and has been widely connected with adolf hitler and the nazis, especially their ideas on the "aryan race", which agree with the anti-semitic ideas put forth in blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine. I know of a volume of her ghost stories in English, but the above details left me with no interest in her, as I'm completely against anti-semitism. INeverCry 18:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Zinaida Gippius etc
[edit]I've started my clean-up of the Gippius article, and am about 1/4 of the way through. I moved the Bakst portrait up to have it compliment "Zinaida's image as a red-haired green-eyed androgynous monster/beauty", as the paragraph now just below it states. There's an unreferenced paragraph in the "Gippius in exile" section which has been tagged as needing a citiation. Can you find a ref for this paragraph? Those "citation needed" tags are so jarring...
- It goes back to pre-my'intrusion version of the article - could it have been me who tagged it? Frankly, I don't remember/know what to do with it: the assertion as such could be seen as trivial, even if vague (and of course it was not only acmeists that she's been putting down, but almost everybody, including people like Blok).--Evermore2 (talk) 13:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I took a look at Afanasy Fet as well, and there's a strange unreferenced "poetry" section at the very bottom that doesn't seem to belong with the rest, though it's well written. I've seen the Turgenev bit somewhere before, so if you can't find a ref for these 2 paragraphs, I'll see what I can do. We should probably mix it in somewhere in the "Legacy" section eventually.
- It was certainly Gogol who's provided the first 'blessing' and encouraged him to continue (this bit is there in the article). As for Turgenev, he's heavily edited Fet's first book (in 1853), but I don't think the latter has ever asked him to. So the 1st paragraph I think should easily go. As for the 2nd one, it might be added to Legacy, if sourced, but I don't think I've ever come across any Baudelaire reference in Russian sources. Perhaps one should go for some French ones)) --Evermore2 (talk) 13:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'll see what I can find for all of these concerns. INeverCry 18:23, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I cleaned up a few of your shorter pieces yesterday and this morning. The Stepun "article" is surprisingly small for a work of yours, as Olga Kabo's still is (hint). INeverCry 02:29, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
George Crabbe GAN
[edit]I've nominated my article George Crabbe for GA. Wish me luck. I'll be tied up with that once the review starts, but that may not be for quite a while. Hopefully I don't get a nit-picking reviewer. This is the same George Crabbe that Druzhinin wrote a biography of that included translations of his poems. INeverCry 21:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
- Best of luck!))--Evermore2 (talk) 11:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Looks like someone did a stub on Lensky. INeverCry 19:37, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- With footnotes outweighing the text) Anyway, its nice to learn we two are not alone in this universe). --Evermore2 (talk) 15:51, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
- Literature in general is a bit neglected here. I had to rescue two major English writers, Wilkie Collins and Elizabeth Gaskell, from sad start-class status. I like to look at it as an indicator that you and I have something undeniably valueable to contribute. I hope that doesn't sound too egotistical. ;) INeverCry 19:34, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
hoax
[edit]The Yuri Abramov stub certainly does look like a hoax. I've nominated it for deletion. The thing doesn't even sound real or believable. ;) INeverCry 03:55, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Uspensky etc
[edit]I forgot to mention another writer you might find an interest in who resembles Nikolay Uspensky quite a bit: Ivan Kushchevsky. Kushchevsky's story has a lot of similarities, and his novel Nikolai Negorev seems to have some importance (I have a copy of it in modern English translation). Kushchevsky sounds like he may have been a more sympathetic character than Uspensky, though.
I'm about half-way through my clean-up of Pisemsky btw. I also translated the refs into English. I might have a little bit to add to the article from a couple English sources when I'm finished copy-editing. INeverCry 18:45, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
- I added did you know? symbols/top icons to the top of your user page, representing each of your articles that appeared in dyk. Dragging the mouse pointer over them shows a note for each one, and clicking on them takes you to the article. I hope you like them. I also archived this talk page to save you the trouble. INeverCry 19:08, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
- You do so many nice things, thank you again.--Evermore2 (talk) 13:04, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
New article
[edit]After looking at your Alexander Voeykov article, I was inspired to translate the article on Alexander Turgenev from ru.wiki. INeverCry 08:35, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- And you've done excellent job, congratulations! Incidentally, the Russian article is based on the one in Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary, so you might as well have a direct ref, here's the link: [1] -- Evermore2 (talk) 13:04, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
New infobox, etc
[edit]I designed a new Russian writers infobox for the List of Russian-language writers. Take a look. After finishing, I thought of doing one for English or American writers, but I realized that the vast majority of my knowledge and experience with 20th century literature is Russian/Soviet! I have no clue about American or British literature from 1940 to now, and don't have any related works in my library, but I've got bookcases full of Russian and Soviet works. I don't see this changing any time soon... ;) INeverCry 01:02, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Looks pretty and comprehensive.--Evermore2 (talk) 15:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- I got to the end of it and thought: damn! I forgot Mayakovsky and Yesenin... Then I replaced Chukovsky with Mandelstam... I think I got all the truly major writers in though, atleast from a Western perspective. INeverCry 19:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- PS. I'd love to know your opinion of this site? It just came back online after a long hiatus. INeverCry 01:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Very helpful, by the look of it. --Evermore2 (talk) 15:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- I like it mainly for its tone. It sounds like it's written by an old die-hard CPSU member. INeverCry 19:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
Dostoyevsky etc
[edit]I've been asked to help with the Dostoyevsky article. You can imagine how much time this will require. I'm going to finish up Pisemsky and then go and work on Fyodor Mikhailovich. The main concern is the "themes" section, and a prospective "style" section, both of them no easy feat. INeverCry 19:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- Themes and Style are unsourced, otherwise it looks superb.--Evermore2 (talk) 15:26, 18 May 2012 (UTC) ...And, come to think of it, are these sections at all needed? 'Themes' seem to be potentially limitless. As for Style, I'd rather see 'Critical reception' instead. Some reviewers (or say, colleagues, like Bunin) would be doubtless relied upon to claim Dostoyevsky had no style at all)) -- Evermore2 (talk) 15:37, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- Pisemsky is finished! INeverCry 01:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
- And I'm through with N.Uspensky. Hope you'll find time for it too. For me its time for some rest, though. --Evermore2 (talk) 15:26, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- And, inciddentally, don't you think that Nikolay gives to English-speaking readers the wrong idea about how the name is pronounced in Russian (which is Nico-lie)? It would have been Николэй, then. -- Evermore2 (talk) 15:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
- I agree, but moving all the Nikolays would be too much of a hassle. But considering that many English speakers pronounce Ivan as eye-vin, I figure it's not worth the worries. ;) I could always move my Nikolais though, including Uspensky. I'll get to him and Shchedrin some time soon. INeverCry 20:52, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
New articles, etc
[edit]Here's something from a whole 'nother wiki: Isaac Levitan and Ilya Repin. INeverCry 06:44, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
- PS. I changed all my Nikolays to Nikolais. INeverCry 06:51, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Here's a navbox for Pisemsky: Template:Aleksey Pisemsky. INeverCry 17:46, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
- Excellent, thank you!) -- Evermore2 (talk) 12:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Библиография Максима Горького
[edit]Линк: Библиография Максима Горького INeverCry. 01:37, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Can you put in an exact caption for the title page image? INeverCry 21:16, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
- But what's wrong with it, do you mean the title should be added, in its full version, with the subtitle? The date is right, i think... --Evermore2 (talk) 13:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- It would be a good idea to add the full sub-title to the lead. As for my "exact caption", I just wanted to confirm if possible that this is the title page to the first book edition. This is a minor detail of course. I'd like to have something more concrete, such as "Title page to the first book edition, 1882". INeverCry 19:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- I think we can safely assume that this was not just its 1st edition, but for some years to come, the only one. I'll have to check it though, before making a change.--Evermore2 (talk) 14:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- It would be a good idea to add the full sub-title to the lead. As for my "exact caption", I just wanted to confirm if possible that this is the title page to the first book edition. This is a minor detail of course. I'd like to have something more concrete, such as "Title page to the first book edition, 1882". INeverCry 19:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Ostrovsky
[edit]- ...And while we are at it, can I touch you for an Alexander Ostrovsky template, using this perhaps as a source for Russian list/dates? May be for you dealing with the titles' English versions will be easier, for me these proverbs and dated half-jokes prove to be too much) -- Evermore2 (talk) 13:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- I would be inclined, for the Ostrovsky navbox, to list only his plays that have been translated, which should be around 8-10 works or so. He wrote enough plays to require an Alexander Ostrovsky bibliography for a full listing. As for the titles, that might be just as tough for me, or tougher. ;) I'll do the navbox in the next few days. INeverCry 19:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- I've started the navbox, but I think it might be easier/better to do the bibliography article first. I have a quite a few titles in my English source, and some of them don't agree with what's currently in the Ostrovsky article. Once we have a decent bibliography, and another article or two on his plays, I can put the navbox together; I'll probably want to expand it to include adapted operas, related articles, people, and of course the eventual bibliography. INeverCry 22:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- Excellent, thank you. I'm going to make 4 or 5 articles on his plays, while struggling with the main one. It will be monumentalizing for quite a while, I'm afraid, but when all the neccessary facts are there I promise to do a proper shrink-down job) -- Evermore2 (talk) 14:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- I've started the navbox, but I think it might be easier/better to do the bibliography article first. I have a quite a few titles in my English source, and some of them don't agree with what's currently in the Ostrovsky article. Once we have a decent bibliography, and another article or two on his plays, I can put the navbox together; I'll probably want to expand it to include adapted operas, related articles, people, and of course the eventual bibliography. INeverCry 22:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- I would be inclined, for the Ostrovsky navbox, to list only his plays that have been translated, which should be around 8-10 works or so. He wrote enough plays to require an Alexander Ostrovsky bibliography for a full listing. As for the titles, that might be just as tough for me, or tougher. ;) I'll do the navbox in the next few days. INeverCry 19:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
- ...And while we are at it, can I touch you for an Alexander Ostrovsky template, using this perhaps as a source for Russian list/dates? May be for you dealing with the titles' English versions will be easier, for me these proverbs and dated half-jokes prove to be too much) -- Evermore2 (talk) 13:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
In looking at a couple sources, I've found several versions of the more complex titles. We have Keep to Your Own Sled, Stay in Your Own Sled, or Stay in Your Own Lane, etc. Luckily, though, my main source gives the Russian titles (spelled out in English) of atleast 15 plays. As for the Ostrovsky article itself, don't cut too much: monumental is a good thing, in my view. INeverCry 16:23, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- I've added some titles to the navbox - Template:Alexander Ostrovsky. The first one, It's a Family Affair, might be better with that shorter title. I've included everything that's been translated. I don't think a full biblio is going to be a workable idea. The navbox and a selected biblio in the article will most likely be sufficient.
- So its been translated as It's a Family Affair too? I've come across only the longer version. Sure, the short one is better.--Evermore2 (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
- I added a few images of Ostrovsky himself to the article, and stuck one of the play images on the talkpage until there's a good place for it. There's another image of Ostrovsky that I had thought I uploaded a long time ago, but I couldn't find it, so I'll upload it soon. It's of an older, bearded Ostrovsky in the 80s I think. I'm sure there'll end up being room for a few more images. INeverCry 05:05, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
- If monumentalism makes our day, there'll be no shortage of space, for sure) --Evermore2 (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
- The It's a Family Affair-We'll Settle It Ourselves play is given in that full form for the translations themselves, but then referred to as A Family Affair (without the "It's") in the introductions and critical comments. A Family Affair is just more simple and easy to use. The full title could be given in the lead of the eventual article. The play is also called The Bankrupt, I think, and something else, I forget what now, but A Family Affair, and the full title are what we have in English translation. I also added a couple more translations to the navbox, including A Protégée of the Mistress (which we have in 2 seperate publications), and Sin and Sorrow Are Common to All. We also have 2 other translations: The Scoundrel and The Forest, but I don't have the dates for these, as the paperback copy (1969) I had of the edition was falling apart and I ended up tossing it. That Sovremennik pic I uploaded is great - I hope you can find/make a place for it. INeverCry 18:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
- Scoundrel or Too Clever by Half, Or, The Diary of a Scoundrel is nothing else than what we have here as Enough Stupidity in Every Wise Man (1868). Les (Forest) was published and premiered in 1871, why az.lib gives it 1870, I don't know.
- Apparently there were at least three more translations, as mentioned here: Professor Henley, who published a useful Russian edition of Groza in the Bradda series (1963), has selected here four other works for translation and brief commentary: A Profitable Position (Dokhodnoe mesto, 1857), An Ardent Heart (Goriachee serdste, 1869), Without a Dowry (Bespridannitsa, 1879), and Talents and Admirers (Talanty i poklonniki, 1882). -- Evermore2 (talk) 14:52, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- I added these to the navbox. INeverCry 00:19, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
- As for A Family Affair, I'm very much undecided about the legitimacy of this curtailed version. It would be a bit like calling articles Sgt. Pepper or Floyd or Sabbath. -- Evermore2 (talk) 14:52, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- The fact that you have doubts about the shorter title tells me that the full title is definitely the one you should use. I'll add The Forest to the navbox. INeverCry 17:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Nice way to put it)) Thank you! // A curious dilemma I've confronted, concerning dates. If the play was published in 1871 but premiered in 1870, is it a '70 or '71 play? --Evermore2 (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- The fact that you have doubts about the shorter title tells me that the full title is definitely the one you should use. I'll add The Forest to the navbox. INeverCry 17:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- The It's a Family Affair-We'll Settle It Ourselves play is given in that full form for the translations themselves, but then referred to as A Family Affair (without the "It's") in the introductions and critical comments. A Family Affair is just more simple and easy to use. The full title could be given in the lead of the eventual article. The play is also called The Bankrupt, I think, and something else, I forget what now, but A Family Affair, and the full title are what we have in English translation. I also added a couple more translations to the navbox, including A Protégée of the Mistress (which we have in 2 seperate publications), and Sin and Sorrow Are Common to All. We also have 2 other translations: The Scoundrel and The Forest, but I don't have the dates for these, as the paperback copy (1969) I had of the edition was falling apart and I ended up tossing it. That Sovremennik pic I uploaded is great - I hope you can find/make a place for it. INeverCry 18:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
- If monumentalism makes our day, there'll be no shortage of space, for sure) --Evermore2 (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
I expanded the lead so the article looks a bit more balanced, and cleaned up a few details. I also replaced a deleted image in the "style and form" section with the pic of his Petersburg study. INeverCry 21:15, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
- In looking at the overall article, I can see there's more brushing up for me to do. I also found the "private life" details a bit confusing. The Varya Cook details especially: Who was E. A Cook? How did Varya come to be with Leskov and son? Was this his only pupil? What did he tutor her in? Where was she when he was old and alone? I put the other adopted Vera in the infobox as Vera Bubnova-Leskova, although it's not clear if she took his name? I used Bubnova to differentiate. The devil really is in the details. ;) INeverCry 22:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
- Lets not even go there at least for a while. After Ostrovsky I'll return to Leskov's works and then try and glean some facts about Cook & Co. Don't think much will come out of it, I've got an impression this one is among the most obscure episodes of his biography.--Evermore2 (talk) 14:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- No worries on this one, and no hurry: these are very minor details. I also cut the family details out of the lead, and now it looks much better. I looked at the Dostoyevsky lead and a few others as examples.
- Great. Still this going back to mysterious Vera Cook was in a surprise way, relevant. You see, the word 'tutor' here is totally inadequate, but there's no analogue, apparently, in the English language to the Russian vospitannitsa. That was the title of Ostrovsky 1859 play, the English version of the title of which is... A Protégée of the Mistress, which looks positively bizarre (I haven't read it, there must be of course the reason). Vospitannitsa is not a 'pupil' (as dictionaries tell me) but a girl taken by a family for upbringing. What would be the right English term, do you think for the one who's been adopted by a family - not as their 'own' child, but just for an upbringing, privoding for education, etc?--Evermore2 (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- The only other word that would fit would be "ward", but "protégée" has a lot more style. INeverCry 17:32, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Great. Still this going back to mysterious Vera Cook was in a surprise way, relevant. You see, the word 'tutor' here is totally inadequate, but there's no analogue, apparently, in the English language to the Russian vospitannitsa. That was the title of Ostrovsky 1859 play, the English version of the title of which is... A Protégée of the Mistress, which looks positively bizarre (I haven't read it, there must be of course the reason). Vospitannitsa is not a 'pupil' (as dictionaries tell me) but a girl taken by a family for upbringing. What would be the right English term, do you think for the one who's been adopted by a family - not as their 'own' child, but just for an upbringing, privoding for education, etc?--Evermore2 (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- PS. I was given the Автопатрулируемые user right on ru.wikipedia yesterday.
INeverCry 18:15, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
- Extraordinary, although of course you more than deserve it. Congratulations! --Evermore2 (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. Maybe we can get you autopatrolled rights over here at some point. INeverCry 17:32, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- Extraordinary, although of course you more than deserve it. Congratulations! --Evermore2 (talk) 15:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
- No worries on this one, and no hurry: these are very minor details. I also cut the family details out of the lead, and now it looks much better. I looked at the Dostoyevsky lead and a few others as examples.
- Lets not even go there at least for a while. After Ostrovsky I'll return to Leskov's works and then try and glean some facts about Cook & Co. Don't think much will come out of it, I've got an impression this one is among the most obscure episodes of his biography.--Evermore2 (talk) 14:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
New article
[edit]My first in quite a while: Mark Kharitonov; I've nominated him for DYK as well. I also decided to go for GA with George Crabbe once and for all, after creating seperate poetry and criticism sections. INeverCry 22:32, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
- Impressive. You excel on every front!--Evermore2 (talk) 15:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
- GOP got me going for that article and gave me some motivation, which is quite a feat considering the heat and my inherent laziness. INeverCry 19:15, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
New article
[edit]Here's a little something in the Russian literary line. There's a bit more to come, but I'm so out of practice... INeverCry 00:13, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- Excellent. Keep the good things coming!) -- Evermore2 (talk) 15:04, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- I added a little wikitable for her works, which is a new touch. I just wish I had better sources on some of these writers in English. INeverCry 15:41, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Cover and title pg
[edit]I added a title page to The Romance of Leonardo da Vinci, and I found a really nice cover image for The Death of the Gods. Pretty much all of Merezhkovsky's works were translated into English, so finding these for articles shouldn't be a problem. INeverCry 16:59, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Another little stub
[edit]Here's another Russian Booker winner. I have to search like a gold miner to find decent sources for these modern Russian writers, even in Russian. I wish I could find a good biographical source on Denis Gutsko, as Aksyonov's refusal to present the Booker Prize to him sounds interesting. I'll keep hunting for sources. INeverCry 22:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
- It’s scary, living in a country where everything’s been fixed for 100 years ahead by 1,5 men from Kremlin.)) And yes, not a single decent biography in sight: an obscure star. His prose isn't exactly purple either, at least if this set of politico-social essays is anything to go by. -- Evermore2 (talk) 14:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- Having got this obscure feeling that Soviet film actresses/actors start to somehow get me down I was toying for a while with the idea of an article on absolutely fabulous Olga Smirnova, since she’s won recently something important and French-sounding, don’t remember what.Oh dear, it’s Prix Benois de la Danse, the Ballet Oscar, they say here and she’s officially the World’s Best Ballet dancer. Then found there is an article on, apparently more important another Olga Smirnova, an amateur wrestler! Sign of the times, isn’t it)? -- Evermore2 (talk) 14:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- And thanks again for the excellent job you are doing! -- Evermore2 (talk) 14:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
- Watching that video certainly makes a guy feel clumsy and uncoordinated. You should do the article on her. Experience tells me it'll be a whole lot better than the wrestler's. As for that, sports are, and have always been, something of a drug for the masses, myself included. I can watch baseball or tennis, and not care at all for anything more serious. I get to cheer and be loud, and it's something of a release. INeverCry 16:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi
[edit]Hi man, you are doing wonderful work with articles about Russian writers, etc. I noticed that you was active in discussion on talk page of Russian nationalism. I restored one of related pages [2] for now, but I am not really sure, and I am not opposed to merging. It would be great if you could fix it as you think would be better... My very best wishes (talk) 06:22, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
- Time flies by when you’re a driver of a wiki-train, a year seems a century, and I cannot even begin to remember what I was on about there and then. So I’d rather not go there and fix anything for fear of breaking it, rather than fixing). Hopefully, by this time all the nationalism has expired from the Russian character altogether, so the article should rather be moved to, say... Ukrainian nationalism?)) -- Evermore2 (talk) 11:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
A cup of coffee for you!
[edit]Thanks for getting the article Natural School off to a good start. You added references, linked other articles to it and it to other articles, and clearly defined the scope of the article. I appreciate your being direct in meeting all the article requirements. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC) |
- Thank you very much for being so encouraging, I really appreciate it! -- Evermore2 (talk) 14:11, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I fixed this up, wrote a decent lead, and added a few pics. Take a look. INeverCry 03:25, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
- Excellent!) The Legacy section cries out for being born, but maybe next year. -- Evermore2 (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
I've done a re-work and expansion of his article. Have a look when you get a chance. I'm relatively proud of it. INeverCry 00:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
- To me it looks perfect, well done! -- Evermore2 (talk) 13:56, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
- Spasibo. Repin is such a great artist I had to try and do him a bit of justice. I might get around to Valentin Serov too at some point. We'll see. INeverCry 18:57, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
New article
[edit]Something new from an old rusty pen. INeverCry 00:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
+1 Award
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The Literary Barnstar | |
In recognition of all your work in creating articles related to Russian literature I give you this award. Keep up the great work! AaronY (talk) 10:20, 14 April 2014 (UTC) |
- Thank you ever so much! -- Evermore2 (talk) 10:30, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Happy New Year Evermore2!
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Evermore2,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. INeverCry 23:17, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hey Vlad, I hope you're well. I've been noticing the zero and lower temperatures in Moscow, and feeling a bit better about our 20s and 30s. I've had a bit of a rough month though. I'll be emailing you soon with a new address, so don't delete it as spam! INeverCry 23:17, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jeff, and the same to you! (all, except the weather, that is, which is indeed punishing here). Glad to see you back and am looking forward to hearing from you. Rock on! (c) -- Evermore2 (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
- I've sent it. My great free email doesn't prompt for a blank subject line so you'll see an email with no subject... INeverCry 00:45, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jeff, and the same to you! (all, except the weather, that is, which is indeed punishing here). Glad to see you back and am looking forward to hearing from you. Rock on! (c) -- Evermore2 (talk) 23:25, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
WikiProject assessment tags for talk pages
[edit]Thank you for your recent articles, including Pyotr Polevoy, which I read with interest. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like {{WikiProject Keyword}} to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Wikipedia:Article alerts and other tools. For example, WikiProject Poland relies on such templates to generate listings such as Article Alerts, Popular Pages, Quality and Importance Matrix and the Cleanup Listing. Thanks to them, WikiProject members are more easily able to defend your work from deletion, or simply help try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information about using those talk page templates. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 18:52, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Balmont, etc
[edit]I've created Category:Poetry by Konstantin Balmont and Template:Konstantin Balmont for his works. My health has been shitty for a while now, but expect an email soon, and a new set of books (Mark Aldanov this time). I had to get rid of my old address due to massive political spam so it'll be a new yandex acct. INeverCry 03:15, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you, Jeff, much appreciated. Gotta try and squeeze a couple of more Balmont entries outta my ru_wiki 'past(ures)'. Looking forward to your letter, -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:34, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- I sent it through Wikipedia email. There's a weblink in it that Yandex's spam filters didn't like, and I botched the CAPTCHA, so I can't send another email directly from my Yandex account for 24 hours... {sigh} The Aldanov is sitting on my desktop waiting for 5:00PM Pacific time tomorrow...
INeverCry 01:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
- I sent it through Wikipedia email. There's a weblink in it that Yandex's spam filters didn't like, and I botched the CAPTCHA, so I can't send another email directly from my Yandex account for 24 hours... {sigh} The Aldanov is sitting on my desktop waiting for 5:00PM Pacific time tomorrow...
I've finished with the cleanup of her article that I first started years ago. I've also added a decent lead section, something we cherish, and which the folks at ru.wiki don't seem to worry about. One sign of your great progress in English is that these cleanups have gotten much easier and faster. Soon I'll be out of a job, and I'll actually have to write something of my own... INeverCry 21:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Sterling job as usual, Jeff, you Cleanup Virtuoso! ...What about writing something of your own for ru_wiki? Bet you'd do a better job of it than most of the locals. I might even make a short comeback there to do some cleanup for you?) -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:10, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, I wasn't actually being serious about writing something of my own...in any language...
INeverCry 20:17, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Neither was I actually, but, come to think of it, since your translations from ru_wiki were so high-class, switching into the reverse mode for you won't be such an impossible task. And yes, thanks for being kind about my English; I try to do my best, of course, but still am sweating it out a lot, especially when fumbling for a right article… or should it be the right article? For us Russians, articlephobia is an inherited/lifetime disease. -- Evermore2 (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- The would be the right choice. There's no equivalent for the in Russian though is there? If you talk about фонтанный дом for instance, in English we would say the Fountain House, but you don't need it. One other strange thing about Russian from an English-speaking view is that proper titles of books, songs, and the like aren't fully capitalized as we're used to. As for your progress in English, I remember 2010, and I see the difference, which is really impressive. You're not all that far from fluency, and I'm serious about that. As for me, I'm still back in grade school when it comes to Russian. But I'll get better, and then I may take you up on the offer for ru.wiki. We can start the whole thing all over again in reverse... INeverCry 02:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- I'm on the verge of fluency!.. What saved me this time from toppling over into the abyss of Good English is the use of inherited instead of hereditary one passage earlier [inherited from whom? - one would be tempted to ask, and the answer would be - well, from the Vikings, apparently, or from our-and-Vikings' common ancestors...]
As for (the) Articles, - no, there is nothing of the sort in Russian, - the nearest approximation perhaps would be expletives, but at least they are useful on some occasions)... Incidentally, back again to this YouTube link: doesn't our article-less Туз пик sound sharper and more to the point than (the) Ace of Spades? - Even if, yes, I agree here totally, - capitalized П(ик) looks so much better poised.
And, while we are still at the subject of The Use of Articles in Popular Culture, - recently, in an attempt to translate the lyrics of what would easily be my favourute tune ever, I opted for: Off Cossack went to faraway lands... But was I right, article-wise?
And it occured to me just now that the literal reverse translation of Туз пик into English would be - Ace of Lances, not 'spades', - so perhaps the English Ace of Spades has never meant to be sharp/pointy? Oh, them Brits, the nation of gardeners)) -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:27, 20 May 2016 (UTC)- The title would work in English as either Off went the Cossack to faraway lands or Off the Cossack went to faraway lands. The grammar books I've sent should give you a full explanation of how to use the, a, and an (I've got some more I'll send). For me it comes too natural to explain easily, as I'm sure it would be a bit difficult for you to explain common Russian grammatical elements to a beginner like me. The common parts of speech in any language are something that an average native speaker never really has to explain to anyone.
Туз пик is a bit close phonetically to our "tooth pick", of which I don't need much any more... The dentist want's to take my last three top teeth btw. I'm a slow healer though, so I'll get a little break while these last six heal. You really are just around the corner from fluency. You're already better than most online news reporters from The Washington Post, NYT, etc, or especially RT.com and Sputnik/en...and those guys get paid! INeverCry 23:27, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- (re: Cossack) You are certainly right, but - trying to recapture now the line I was thinking along with - it just occurred to me that the original 1838 poem by Yevhen Hrebinka, of which these lyrics are a slightly changed version of, spoke not of some particular person, more of a symbol. _Cossack there is perhaps more like EveryCossack (like Man, in the biblical sense), and _Foreign land - is more like AnyLand outside his Native land (which of course is Ukraine: Свою он Украйну навеки покинул, goes line 3). I mention this not to dispute your verdict (which may be right in any case), just as an example of how - while for an insider it is all plain and obvious, for us, outsiders, grappling for the right article (or for the lack of it) sometimes amounts to moral and philosophical debate, almost) -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- There was an extrordinary poet, Kuban-born Yuri Kuznetsov, and here's his once notorious "The Fly" poem, he'd got lots of stick for, for all the wrong reasons. (The) Fly here argues, it is no lesser a being than the man who caught it - exactly because it is (probably not a, or the, but) EveryFly - who's been there always, who 'crawled the Saint's nymb', and who 'drank the Slav' blood, and who 'battled the window glass like you fought the Evil that separates Man from God". Still gives me shivers. For, it's about - not fly, but man; each and every one of us, in whom, deep inside, this rather frightening EveryMan hides. // One of Kuznetsov's less philosophical (even if darkly allegorical, for it's hero that falls victim to the evil enchantress, is the epitome of Russia, of course) poems has been revived by Viktor Zakharchenko who turned it into a modern Russian goth-folk classic. -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- The most striking line here indeed hits like a nail: "I’ll find the sharpest of nails, and I’ll nail his shadow to the floor" – for the author sees Russia as Christ, who continues to get crucified, again and again. But still the creepiest is the final one, "Destiny's something he won’t walk away from" – which means happy end for the Witch/the West, but certainly not for their victim, who's escaped, but not for long. -- Evermore2 (talk) 21:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
- Cossack is specific ethnic group, while Man (in the sense of Mankind) is universal, so you'd still use "the" with Cossack in most cases. "The Cossack" can express a generalized representation of all Cossacks (though that word would usually be understood to refer to Cossack men rather than women). An example of the general sense: "The Cossack is a free spirit, always ready for adventure." An example of the individual sense: "The Cossack got drunk and lost all his money at cards." You could use it without an article as a modifier: "Cossack women are beautiful" or "Cossack food is delicious". The English grammar books I've sent will explain this using all the proper scholastic jargon, which is itself often in great need of explanation...
As for books, I've got a few...thousand...
INeverCry 05:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
- Cossack is specific ethnic group, while Man (in the sense of Mankind) is universal, so you'd still use "the" with Cossack in most cases. "The Cossack" can express a generalized representation of all Cossacks (though that word would usually be understood to refer to Cossack men rather than women). An example of the general sense: "The Cossack is a free spirit, always ready for adventure." An example of the individual sense: "The Cossack got drunk and lost all his money at cards." You could use it without an article as a modifier: "Cossack women are beautiful" or "Cossack food is delicious". The English grammar books I've sent will explain this using all the proper scholastic jargon, which is itself often in great need of explanation...
- The title would work in English as either Off went the Cossack to faraway lands or Off the Cossack went to faraway lands. The grammar books I've sent should give you a full explanation of how to use the, a, and an (I've got some more I'll send). For me it comes too natural to explain easily, as I'm sure it would be a bit difficult for you to explain common Russian grammatical elements to a beginner like me. The common parts of speech in any language are something that an average native speaker never really has to explain to anyone.
- I'm on the verge of fluency!.. What saved me this time from toppling over into the abyss of Good English is the use of inherited instead of hereditary one passage earlier [inherited from whom? - one would be tempted to ask, and the answer would be - well, from the Vikings, apparently, or from our-and-Vikings' common ancestors...]
- The would be the right choice. There's no equivalent for the in Russian though is there? If you talk about фонтанный дом for instance, in English we would say the Fountain House, but you don't need it. One other strange thing about Russian from an English-speaking view is that proper titles of books, songs, and the like aren't fully capitalized as we're used to. As for your progress in English, I remember 2010, and I see the difference, which is really impressive. You're not all that far from fluency, and I'm serious about that. As for me, I'm still back in grade school when it comes to Russian. But I'll get better, and then I may take you up on the offer for ru.wiki. We can start the whole thing all over again in reverse... INeverCry 02:58, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
- Neither was I actually, but, come to think of it, since your translations from ru_wiki were so high-class, switching into the reverse mode for you won't be such an impossible task. And yes, thanks for being kind about my English; I try to do my best, of course, but still am sweating it out a lot, especially when fumbling for a right article… or should it be the right article? For us Russians, articlephobia is an inherited/lifetime disease. -- Evermore2 (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, I wasn't actually being serious about writing something of my own...in any language...
Some actors and some plays
[edit]Hello. I came across your recently created article An Ardent Heart, which I had on a list to create myself at some point, so was very glad to see your work. Looking over your recent contributions, I wondered if I might make a request? I've recently re-written and expanded the Konstantin Stanislavski article, and to go along with it, I've been working on a List of productions directed by Konstantin Stanislavski. I've spent some time trying to track down the details of actors who performed the roles in the various productions by the Moscow Art Theatre in its early years and over the last few years have been slowly creating articles on those plays that didn't yet exist on Wikipedia. I'm going to create a section on the list's talk page to detail those actors and plays that don't yet have an article. Might I ask you to take a look at some point to see if any of them might be something you'd be interested in creating? No worries if not. Many thanks, • DP • {huh?} 01:11, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
- Once again, many thanks to you for another new article (Vladimir Gribunin). I was just entertaining the idea of doing a voice recording of the Stanislavski article I wrote, and I realised that I can't pronounce Vsevolod Meyerhold's name. I think his surname is "My"-err-holt, but I'm a bit stumped by his first name (I can't recall ever having heard anyone use it outloud in my presence)... Might you be able to offer some advice? Many thanks, • DP • {huh?} 04:39, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- The first syllable is more like 'mei-', but the two syllables are concise so it sounds like Mi-ir-holt. In Vsevolod the first syllable's stressed. Here's the short documentary: his name pops up at 0:08, 0:24, - then, more clearly at 1:25, and so on – and notice how the patronymic shrinks down to 'Emilich' (then the lady follows on to explain his German origins and how he substituted hard 'g' for soft 'h' for the surname to sound less German, and the way he stopped being Karl and became Vsevolod… as a homage to the writer Garshin). Throughout these 13 mins it crops up many times… Like, at 7:43: "The name Meyerhold serves as the banner of permanent revolt at the Art's market-place" (the unspecified Soviet poet's very nice praise)) -- Evermore2 (talk) 17:52, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- That is extremely helpful, thank you so much. • DP • {huh?} 19:19, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- The first syllable is more like 'mei-', but the two syllables are concise so it sounds like Mi-ir-holt. In Vsevolod the first syllable's stressed. Here's the short documentary: his name pops up at 0:08, 0:24, - then, more clearly at 1:25, and so on – and notice how the patronymic shrinks down to 'Emilich' (then the lady follows on to explain his German origins and how he substituted hard 'g' for soft 'h' for the surname to sound less German, and the way he stopped being Karl and became Vsevolod… as a homage to the writer Garshin). Throughout these 13 mins it crops up many times… Like, at 7:43: "The name Meyerhold serves as the banner of permanent revolt at the Art's market-place" (the unspecified Soviet poet's very nice praise)) -- Evermore2 (talk) 17:52, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Irina Odoyevtseva
[edit]Hi, I apologize for dropping our conversation - I had meant to pursue, but an avalanche of work descended on me.
- But that's all right. Part of the allure of such conversations is that you can start, end, then re-start them without feeling any guilt over having had a pause. Feel free to drop off and return whenever you like. -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
I moved our conversation from my Talk page to the Talk page for the article "Irina Odoyevtseva" - I think it'll be more useful there in case other people ever want to contribute.
- Excellent. -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Cheers, - Wwallacee (talk) 08:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
P.S. Evermore, Do you own a copy of On the Banks of the Seine? Cheers - Wwallacee (talk) 09:10, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- No. Do you? Much has been said about her unreliability as a memoirist. (Have just looked through it here, some of it is indeed curious, and finely written)..... You seem to be very keen on Odoyevtseva. Is it her personality, perhaps, that scores most points? What’s the appeal (if you pardon me for being perhaps too personal)? -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:06, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- I have seen that webpage... Useful (especially because it's searchable). But it's not the complete text I think. I will not answer the personal question on this public forum, but you are welcome to email me via the link on my home page if you want to pursue this conversation. - Wwallacee (talk) 10:32, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Happy Holidays!
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Happy Holidays! |
Well, another new year is almost upon us. I'm a tooth lighter than last we talked, and several pills heavier. I hope you're doing OK. I hope you're getting some good snow. We used to get snow here, but now all we get is cold dismal nothing. Maybe a bit of rain now and then. Anyways, be sure to toast your old friend with a good glass of Vodka for the holidays... ![]() |
- Jeff, great to hear from you (letter received too, the reply will soon be on its way)! Yes, we have snow, we have vodka, we have more teeth then even needed, but not much else, while you over there have so much more, including slightly better weather... But more about that in an e-mail. Thank you, Jeff! -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:26, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
14-volume history
[edit]Hi, regarding this edit. I saw the reference and I saw the claim. I tried to verify it somewhere else (surely, a 14-volume history book would be noted somewhere else), but I could not find anything. It peaked my interest because a 14-volume history book would certainly be discussed in Lithuanian sources, but I found only maybe 3 references to Sholkovich and his other works in Lithuanian press and books. It could very well be that my Russian is mostly limited to Google Translate, but lack of a second independent source collaborating a big claim is a big red flag for me. Not even title of the book is mentioned. Can you find something other then the cited encyclopedia article? Renata (talk) 16:21, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
- No, I cannot, and yes, I begin to see now you are quite right. This 'history' is not even mentioned in this very article's list of his works, which is indeed very short. Besides, the previous sentence (начал усердно работать над историей Северо-Западного края = started to work diligently upon the history of…) sounds vague ('started', maybe, but what about 'finished'?). Whatever he 'diligently' worked upon, apparently remained unpublished. So yes, I revert it. -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:08, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. (I will copy this conversation to the talk page to document the 'omission'). Renata (talk) 02:06, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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Maykov portrait
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I'm starting on Apollon Maykov. I notice you have a weblink to http://www.tez-rus.net/ViewGood19666.html. If you have time, can you upload this to Commons? The proper license would be {{PA-ART|PD-old-100-1923}}. Then we can wikilink it which is better than a weblink. I don't edit on Commons any more after the shitty treatment I received from all and sundry over there.
- The portrait is actually by Nikolay Maykov (the fact that first time round I somehow failed to highlight) and it's already well and truly Common'ed... Since Solonitsyn stands, can he be said to have 'sat'? Probably not. So I've skipped 'sitting' and re-worded it... but it still feels clumsy, perhaps you'd like to improve it. Or probably get rid of him at all. -- Evermore2 (talk) 18:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
I noticed I had already finished Gippius, when I'd thought I was only half-way through when I left it. In other words, it's been a while. After Maykov, I'll probably do Balmont and Fet. I'll have to scrape together leads for all these as usual. It's strange to see the very short leads in ru.wiki good and featured articles. We have to roll out the red carpet in our leads here, as I did for Aleksey Konstantinovich Tolstoy. Maykov looks like it will be easier than some of the older ones. I'm reading Oblomov, so I'll have to stop somewhere and put some work into that article too. I'm just a bit ashamed that we have no modern translation of an important work like Goncharov's A Common Story. Hence my desire to learn Russian. I've thought about a Russian bride too of course... lNeverCry 04:43, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
- I bet she'll be a fine folk singer
-- Evermore2 (talk) 18:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
- I'm a pretty good singer myself, so that would be nice. But I'm not a picky guy. A decent-looking woman who's intelligent but likes to use bad language, and who's pretty nice but still keeps me in line... As for the portrait, we'll have to get rid of it most likely. You said you didn't have any more monuments left to build here, but that's sad news for Ivan Turgenev. His article hardly does him justice... lNeverCry 02:15, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
- Indeed.... It's notoriously difficult (if not impossible), though, to 'expand' something that is unsourced. You have to either re-write the whole stuff, or tag every sentence, both options being for me unacceptable. So no, I don't think I'll ever touch the 'Work' section. As for the Biography sec, it could be dealt with easier, through re-structuring, with some bits sent down to the Private life/Personality/etc (proposed) sections, to be safely tagged there. So perhaps I'll look into it... but not in the nearest future, no) -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
- There certainly are a lot of articles here that're so fucked up it would probably be easier to start over from nothing than to fix them. I have some good sources on Turgenev though, especially criticism of his works, so I may get around to fixing the article up a bit. I have an Irish writer, Gerald Griffin, that I've been thinking of building a monument for, and a couple others, William Carleton and Charles Lever, who may get the same treatment somewhere down the road. All in good time... lNeverCry 22:42, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
- Excellent!.. And thank you for your work on Maykov! -- Evermore2 (talk) 21:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- I've doubled the size of the lead just to get everything straight. His article here is now a small and shiny monument, while on ru.wiki, it's nothing but a little stub. Maybe Balmont next. lNeverCry 20:09, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Great!.. You yourself deserve a monument, Jeff. Keep on!) -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:12, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- I've doubled the size of the lead just to get everything straight. His article here is now a small and shiny monument, while on ru.wiki, it's nothing but a little stub. Maybe Balmont next. lNeverCry 20:09, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Excellent!.. And thank you for your work on Maykov! -- Evermore2 (talk) 21:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
- There certainly are a lot of articles here that're so fucked up it would probably be easier to start over from nothing than to fix them. I have some good sources on Turgenev though, especially criticism of his works, so I may get around to fixing the article up a bit. I have an Irish writer, Gerald Griffin, that I've been thinking of building a monument for, and a couple others, William Carleton and Charles Lever, who may get the same treatment somewhere down the road. All in good time... lNeverCry 22:42, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
- Indeed.... It's notoriously difficult (if not impossible), though, to 'expand' something that is unsourced. You have to either re-write the whole stuff, or tag every sentence, both options being for me unacceptable. So no, I don't think I'll ever touch the 'Work' section. As for the Biography sec, it could be dealt with easier, through re-structuring, with some bits sent down to the Private life/Personality/etc (proposed) sections, to be safely tagged there. So perhaps I'll look into it... but not in the nearest future, no) -- Evermore2 (talk) 20:28, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
- I'm a pretty good singer myself, so that would be nice. But I'm not a picky guy. A decent-looking woman who's intelligent but likes to use bad language, and who's pretty nice but still keeps me in line... As for the portrait, we'll have to get rid of it most likely. You said you didn't have any more monuments left to build here, but that's sad news for Ivan Turgenev. His article hardly does him justice... lNeverCry 02:15, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
I just finished this great Russian novel. Oblomov and Zakhar are every bit as alive as any characters in Tolstoy. This is what made me love Russian literature! I looked at the article, and it's a sizable thing already. I'd rather have a stub to start with than that. I'll have to see if I can do anything for it.
I have a small request for you my friend, and that's to leave one article to me, namely One Thousand Souls, which I'll be reading next. I've got another article planned after that, something neglected but very important in Russian literary history. The one article I can't believe is still a stub, is Vremya. Imagine how deeply important that journal was for Dostoyevsky! He published The House of the Dead in it, alongside Pomyalovsky's <<Ocherki Bersi>>, another great work I hope you've read. Pisarev reviewed the two works together in an essay called Those who are Lost, and Those who are About to be Lost. These are two of my favorite works, though anyone who's read Shalamov, Ginsburg, or Solzhenitsyn knows Dostoyevsky held back just a little on the horrors of his time in the prison at Omsk.
One more question, before I bore you to tears. What do you know of Paulina Gagarina? Is she pop, or something deeper and better like Pugacheva? I'm thinking of singers like Amy Lee or even Joni Mitchell when I say "better". lNeverCry 03:32, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
- Jeff, all of the 1001 Souls is yours)... I haven't read it, actually... Yet, I mean))
- I think what divides Pugacheva from all of the rest is this strange, now almost extinct thing called 'personality'. You could detest her (as I did, most of the time) but you couldn't take your eyes off her, she was magnetic. Gagarina? Another faceless, insipid clone. But than again, I am not perhaps the right person to ask about ru_pop, I try to avoid it at all costs. My idea of a perfect Russian pop singer nowadays is Elena Frolova (who's certainly closer to Joni than Amy). Here, doing the Okudzhava song, she even takes a wrong note once (Gagarina - wouldn't!), but her uniqueness shines through. /PS: Just noticed, she's set some of Shalamov's poems to music... no, I don't think even Joni Mitchell could surpass that)/ -- Evermore2 (talk) 19:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Pisemsky articles
[edit]Here's something I read as a lead up to 1000 Souls: The Comic Actor. Criticism in English must be hiding somewhere, because I couldn't find any in my initial search. I'll try another search later. If you can add the publication information, that would be a good little plus. My next article is An Old Man's Sin, a novella by Pisemsky showing some real talent. Well worth the read. I notice that Pisemsky seems to like strange (and long) names like "Ardalyonovna" (which reminded me of Sologub's "Petty Demon", Ardalyon Borisich). Maybe it has something to do with his own " Feofilaktovich"... lNeverCry 23:08, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
Here's the old man: An Old Man's Sin. This needs the same help as the other, but even without further criticism they're both decent start-class articles. I read "Nina" too, and it's not bad, but I don't write articles on short stories because of their limited potential for expansion... lNeverCry 00:39, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
- This is superb. And your plot summaries are so perfect. Publication/background details could be found here: КОМИК, СТАРЧЕСКИЙ ГРЕХ (very scant) and, for the future, ТЫСЯЧА ДУШ, under the ПРИМЕЧАНИЯ headings. <Nothing by way of 'criticism' here either, so the subject needs digging deeper, into these depths> You can do it yourself, if you like, or, if you'd rather skip it, I'll see to it, but - let's say, in a month's time. The heatwave that's finally hit Moscow prompts me to take a little break and make the most of our (otherwise) quite unimpressive summer) -- Evermore2 (talk) 16:37, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
1,000 Souls
[edit]I'm sorry old friend, but I have to release myself from the honor of doing the article on this book. I finished it today, and was happy to have done with it. Pisemsky doesn't put a single drop of blood into any page of this book. It's quite clearly an attempt by him, unsuccessful, to be considered a liberal, and to have the support of Chernyshevsky. He doesn't let himself go and write. His Kalinovich and Nastenka are painfully wooden. Rarely am I happy to finish a book, but with this one, I don't recommend the same torture to you. It's amazing that Dostoyevsky made some kind of a comment to his brother about Kalinovich in a letter, as if he were worth consideration as a person! Dostoyevsky could've written a better novel on toilet paper and thrown the role right out the bathroom window with the rest of the contents of his chamber pot...
I'm going tomorrow morning at 9:45 to have two more teeth out. I was thinking I might read De Quincey's Confessions of an English Opium-Eater while I munch viocodins for a few days... After that, maybe something from Walter Scott or Dumas. Something that isn't so damned dismal. Pisemsky's An Old Man's Sin is terribly dismal, but with a living breathing dismalness, Pisemsky's a bit clumsy, but tragedy, even when it's clumsy, is better than the dry waste of paper that is 1000 Souls... I'll write you an email tomorrow when the opiates have made me a bit more interesting. Lenin's ghost (talk) 00:42, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
- Well, Владимир Ильич, while you were reading 1000 Souls, I was reading Ionych... which sports this bit of a Startsev/Kotik dialogue: "What have you been reading this week since I saw you last?" he asked. "Do please tell me." - "I have been reading Pisemsky." - "What exactly?" - "'A Thousand Souls,' "answered Kitten. "And what a funny name Pisemsky had - Alexey Feofilaktitch!" How about that for a mild case of synchronicity?..
- It must have meant something for the contemporary readership, which apparently has been lost since. Besides... In my personal list of Top 5 Russian Writers Who Suffer from Being Lost in Translation Most, Pisemsky holds the 4th place after Leskov, Gogol and Ostrovsky. His (self) irony is all in the in language. The same with Chekhov: in A Doctor's Visit he's deadly serious about Liza but not so much so about Korolyov, but I'm not sure if the English reader would spot this, it's all in nuances... OK, that will be it: time for you to fly home. -- Evermore2 (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
- Well, Владимир Ильич, while you were reading 1000 Souls, I was reading Ionych... which sports this bit of a Startsev/Kotik dialogue: "What have you been reading this week since I saw you last?" he asked. "Do please tell me." - "I have been reading Pisemsky." - "What exactly?" - "'A Thousand Souls,' "answered Kitten. "And what a funny name Pisemsky had - Alexey Feofilaktitch!" How about that for a mild case of synchronicity?..
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- Thank you ever so much! What I am going to do for certain in the course of the next several weeks, is write extensive stubs for Polina Strepetova (actress), Elizaveta Goreva (actress), Lydia Avilova (writer) and Elizaveta Vodovozova (writer). As for joining the Project... I'm afraid I am going now through a relatively quite period of my wiki_life, for different reasons, so, perhaps sometimes later. But I'll bear your suggestion in mind!) -- Evermore2 (talk) 18:21, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
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[edit]Derevnya
[edit]Hola Vladimir, como estas mi amigo? I'll be doing some copyediting of some of your fiction articles when I have time.
I just finished Bunin's great novel Derevnya. I also recently read Chekhov's Muzhiki and Shchedrin's Gaspoda Golovlyova. Bunin's work is much better. He lets his story speak for itself. Chekhov asks his same old questions, and his narrative has very little of Bunin's masterful flow and smooth touch. Saltykov describes alcoholism as if he'd read about it in a book. He reminds me of Zola's L'Assomoir, where the character Coupeau's alcoholic delirium reads like it was taken straight from a book on the subject.
Anyways I hope you're still around. Adios loco. Geoffroi 22:00, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, Geoff, great to hear from you! Around I surely am, but my out-of-the-wiki schedules are somewhat hectic nowadays. Looking forward to returning to active editing sometimes in the summer. Derevnya is a fine piece of writing, and I'll be glad to see you doing good work to the article! - Evermore2 (talk) 20:24, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
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[edit]Ivan Tavrin draft
[edit]Hi Evermore2, I see that you are quite an active a member of WP:Russia with a great amount of contributions to Wikipedia in this area. I’m reaching out to see if you can take a look at my draft for Ivan Tavrin, a Russian entrepreneur who has a Russian article already. I can’t publish it on my own with my conflict of interest. Thanks! Anastasia-kismet (talk) 09:07, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, Anastasia. Rumours of my activity are greatly exagerrated. Sorry, but I cannot help you. -- Evermore2 (talk) 13:18, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much Anastasia-kismet (talk) 08:05, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
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