User talk:Fingon1

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Hi. Please remember that articles in the English version of Wikipedia should be written in a style and format that meet the demands of proper English writing. Proper nouns (such as Czech and English) should be capitalized. Thank you, and happy editing! DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 06:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Yes, I know! :-) After I saved the page I realised that I have written Brno with small b in article title. :-( I wanted to do the redirect, but you was quicker. Thank you. :-) I´ll keep this in mind next time.--Fingon1 (talk) 06:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Václav Antonín Kounic

Hello! Thank you for your contributions to the article on Václav Antonín Kounic. A few things to consider though. While the Kounic are undoubtedly a Bohemian family, their titles came from the Habsburgs who made Václav Antonín Kounic first a prince of the Holy Roman Empire (in their capacity as Holy Roman Emperors), and later a prince of Bohemia (in their capacity as Kings of Bohemia). Václav Antonín Kounic himself served the Habsburgs both as a diplomate for the Holy Roman Empire and their Austrian Circle lands (which would become the Austrian Empire in 1804). Nobody questions that Václav Antonín Kounic was Bohemian, but at the same time he worked in Austria for the Habsburgs and their territories. Hence I think it is not wrong if he is also added to the category: Austrian politicians. Same with the category: Austrian nobility. This category does not only list families who were of Austrian origin. Instead, there are also families who were associated somehow with Austria - by having received their titles from Austrian rulers, by owning lands there, or by serving as politicians or diplomates. So indeed, Václav Antonín Kounic fits into several categories. As a Knight of the Order of St Stephen of Hungary he might perhaps even be added to the category: Hungarian politicians. That's the nice thing about the Habsburgs in the 18th century: central Europe whereever you look! ViennaUK (talk) 10:18, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, yes, the title of HRE and Bohemian "prince" (we both know its not a "prince" in meaining of english :-P) was given by Habsburgs (Kingdom of Bohemia in personal union with Habsburgs and Hungary since 1526, so Habsburg HRE emperor and Bohemian and Hungarian king in the same time), but their czech noble titles from 13th century were given by Bohemian king himself of course. My point was that, I wanted to add somehow not austrian, but "HRE" politicians. Because you know its misleading to call him "austrian" politician, when he was a politican of all HRE (Austria was just a (arch)duchy that time and a part of HRE). I know that Habsburgs had (arch)duchy of Austria as a hereditary land and that the capital of HRE was in Wien, but its pretty misleading to call whatever that was HRE, austrian before 1804 resp. 1806 (its not fair also to German duchies). The same is for "austrian nobility", when its in fact HRE nobility. But I will not insist on this, because its not really that important. Moreover, I do not see any category of HRE politicans or HRE nobility so we can leave it as it is. :-) --Fingon1 (talk) 12:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thank you for your fast reply! I was just wondering...could you maybe add what Kounic's titles (count and prince) were in the Czech language? I think mentioning them would certainly be helpful, but I have to rely on your support for that :-) Best wishes ViennaUK (talk) 13:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but I had to change your moving of the page. You added a german-english name. So it must be either english-czech or pure czech. I´ll add his bohemian titles later. It was first Rytíř (Knight), later Pán (like Count,Prince or Duku but bohemian title - we didnt differ this title further), then Hrabě (Count - non-bohemian title) and then Kníže (Prince, Furst) --Fingon1 (talk) 15:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]