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Joseon Dynasty and Emperor Gojong of the Korean Empire

http://www.ehbook.co.kr/ could be not a valid source link which is like adding Amazon link. The webpage does not show anything about the book. Even if the book exists, I ask you to provide "direct original quote" with English translation to its talk page since that book seems to be written in Korean. I guess you have the book and can read Korean, so that would be no problem for the demand at all. Unless, this matter is verified, please do not engage in edit warring to restore your addition. Placing the content about the early 1900s in the first paragraph of the thread seems to be also POV. --Caspian blue 13:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I also have the same question about your source to Emperor Gojong of the Korean Empire since one of sources, Asian,Info is clearly not a reliable source and I expect you present direct quotations for your contents from the book to its talk page. Thanks.--Caspian blue 13:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

I didn't realize I had this message before changing back the edit. The book, which I do in fact have with me, is written in English. I have provided a direct quote of from the book in the footnotes, citing the appropriate page. Best regards, --Gavinhudson (talk) 13:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC)Gavin Hudson[reply]

Hi there,

I hope this is the appropriate channel for writing you a response. The book, which I do in fact have with me, is written in English. I have provided a direct quote of from the book in the footnotes, citing the appropriate page. Also, the source of the website I provided (AsiaInfo) is the Korean Embassy. I have further bolstered the information obtained from this page with a relevant internal link in Wikipedia. Best regards, --Gavinhudson (talk) 13:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC)Gavin Hudson[reply]

http://www.asianinfo.org/asianinfo/about_asianinfo.htm does not say that it is affiliated to Korean embassy as you claim, so I doubt your another source as well.--Caspian blue 14:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The world needs to be more cognizant of Asia and the internet revolution is the best way to connect globally. ....AsianInfo.org was founded by K. Lee in 1999 and he remains the webmaster. AsianInfo.org was founded by K. Lee in 1999 and he remains the webmaster. It is his vision to bridge the gap between Asia and the West. In order to do this, he has contacts within some of the U.S. government agencies and many of the embassies in Washington, D.C. Most of these embassies have agreed with his vision and help in various ways. AsianInfo.org does not guarantee the complete accuracy of the information provided on this site or links.

Since the site is not reliable, it is unknown the info is whether indeed from Korean embassy. If so, there would be "duplicated contents". So I suggest you to provide the original site. --Caspian blue 14:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. You have twice now unjustifiably completely deleted my contribution to the page. As I have explained, the book was written in English and I have provided direct quotations. These are located in the footnotes. For example, see [1]. On AsiaInfo, the web page linked [2] to cites "Information provided by the Korean Embassy." I have also bolstered the information with another internal link to a page on Wikipedia. I appreciate that you wish the information here to be accurate, but without other reasons for your actions any further deletions of large portions of text will be considered vandalism— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavinhudson (talk • contribs)

My edits are legitimate since the commercial link and personal site do not belong Wikipedia. As long as your edit and source are questioned, any dubious content could be removed. After it is verified, the content can be put back any time. Moreover, I've said your linking of the commercial website that does not show anything about the book is highly inappropriate. Not to mention, we do not use "unreliable personal site" even if the site owner claims his contents obtained from Korean embassy, there is no evidence nor verification. I googled, but could not find any match to the content. I've used Korean embassy source a couple of times, and such mirrored info could be found on Korean embassy sites or affiliated site. Thus, you should not add contents from the site. Without any justification for adding the site, your edit would be considered deliberate vandalism.--Caspian blue 14:27, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You obviously have very strong feelings on this article, so let's reach an agreement. Your suggestion that AsiaInfo misrepresented themselves may not be justified, but it's not unreasonable. I will delete the reference to the 1862 revolt, which is the only edit I made that has AsiaInfo as its sole source. However, I see no reason for you to delete the information added from the book "The Dawn of Modern Korea" nor from the website of the Korea Foundation [3], which is also listed as a source on the Wikipedia page describing the Donghak Peasant Revolution, nor from the other Wikipedia article on Hong Gyeong-nae. Does that sound reasonable?

I'm sorry if you think I've been hard on your sources, however, unfortunately, the two articles have been disrupted by sockpuppters, or POV pushers for years, so I don't think my edits to abide by WP:Verifiability and WP:Reliable source is not unreasonable. I did not delete your content even though the content is still problematic since you clarified the book, so I hope you do not mispresent my edits. You kept reverting to insert the useless commercial link. I did not see the Koreana site, but Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source. So WP:OTHERSTUFF is not a good argument. I suggest you remove the commercial site as well.--Caspian blue 14:48, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds fair. I have removed the link to AsiaInfo as well as all information obtained there. (This is what you meant by the "commercial link," isn't it?) I will also add an additional encyclopedia link to verify the information about the Hong Gyeong-nae rebellion. The Koreana link is in footnote #5. It links to the Korea Foundation, a quarterly affiliated with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavinhudson (talk • contribs)

I'm glad that we reach a conclusion after some misunderstanding. Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. And don't forget to add your signature to your comment with --~~~~. --Caspian blue 15:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gavin, as you've probably noticed by now, our dear friend Caspian has a history of bans for getting out of hand about Korean topics. Please take any advice from him with a liberal dose of kimchi. Jpatokal (talk) 14:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A clarification to the above: Caspian was banned from Japan-related topics, incurred due to relentless edit warring with another user over Korean and Japanese topics. Jpatokal (talk) 04:27, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding User:Jpatokal's racial slur

Hello, Cavinhusdon, sorry to bother with you for Jpatokal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)'s slander campaign against me here over the issue wrapped well with you. I'm afraid that you as a new editor could wrongly perceive that Wikipedia can condone such racist slur and personal attacks as well as WP:Harassment against editors. Of course, it is strongly prohibited, so that's why I removed his persistent attacks including the false info. Anyway, you're free to discuss contents on its talk page if you have any remaining questions about the article. I guess his such ill-faith behaviors may be related to my comment above that the article has been plagued a lot of [POV pushers] and sockpuppeters. The article has been blocked for a while due to many disruptive edit warring between Jpatokal (talk · contribs) and others, and both party were warned several times by an admin. So it is possible that he may feel the comment referring to him. If he thinks so, well, I could not persuade him not to think otherwise because he even lied about me repeatedly. Or it may be related to the fact that his logical fallacies for his POV have proven himself wrong in two occasions of discussion with me, so that may induce his behaviors. I don't know what is in his mind, however. Again, I'm sorry for you to put up with this crap. I hope you best of luck. Thanks.--Caspian blue 02:12, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ANI notice regarding Jpatokal

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at WP:ANI#User:Jpatokal - racial slur and harassment regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Jpatokal (talk · contribs)'s disruptive personal attacks that require administrators' attention. Thank you. --Caspian blue 04:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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