User talk:Greenbreen

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How do I add a footnote containing a reference?

{{helpme}} I want to edit List of minimum wages in Europe to add a footnote for Germany. Below is a fragment of the article that contains my attempted edit:

| {{flag|Germany}}
| €1,466.76
| 1,466,76
| €8.40<ref group="fn">This applies to the construction trade.  Most professions have no statutory minimum wage in Germany.  For minimum wages for some other professions in Germany see the reference for Germany{{#tag:ref | <ref>http://www.nrwinvest.com/Business_Guide_englisch/Employees_and_social_security/Terms_of_Employment/index.php </ref>}}</ref>

and at the end:

==Notes==
<references group="fn" />

I get a cite error saying that my reference isn't named, or something like that. If I name it, it complains that the name hasn't been used before. How can I do this? Thanks in advance for any help!

-- Greenbreen (talk) 19:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite sure what you were trying to do, with those overlapping reference tags, and suchlike - but you an't really have a reference for a footnote. You can have them as two separate things. Therefore, I have done this - I hope that is what you intended. Best, Chzz ► 20:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That works. Thanks! -- Greenbreen (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How to sort a table that contains "N/A" numerically

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I'm trying to get the table below to sort in numeric order. It needs to include a cell that says "N/A". I tried adding a couple of hidden rows so that no matter whether the table was sorted low-to-high or high-to-low, the first row could cause the sort order to be numeric. It doesn't seem to work like I hoped. I also tried adding hidden text in the N/A cell, but I can't get it to work that way, either. It goes through 4 separate sorts rather than 2 like it should.

Number
9999999999999999999999999999999999999
97
5
49
—
foo	-9999999999999999999999999999999999999

-- Greenbreen (talk) 18:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would try asking the technical village pump. Protonk (talk) 19:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I've added my question to the technical village pump and updated the example here as well to more clearly show the problem. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, Protonk. -- Greenbreen (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - No problem. I hope you find an answer. Dealing with NA values is always weird and parser specific, so I know that an expert will be able to handle the problem better than someone like me. Protonk (talk) 19:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Citing a URL containing spaces

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I'm trying to add a reference to

http://www.azag.gov/press_releases/june/2010/letter to lender.pdf

. I tried to do it like this:

{{cite web|url=http://www.azag.gov/press_releases/june/2010/letter to lender.pdf|title="Letter to lender from the Office of the Attorney General of the State of Arizona|accessdate=2010-10-03}}

but the URL gets cut off at the space after "letter". Is there any way to use Template:cite with such a URL? --Greenbreen (talk) 18:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Try replacing each of the spaces with %20. Favonian (talk) 18:08, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You could also replace the spaces with underscores (_). On a QWERTY keyboard, it's "shift" and the button next to 0. That should solve your problem. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The %20 solution works. I tried the underscore but it didn't work. Thanks to you both for your responses! --Greenbreen (talk) 18:14, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Request for updates

Greenbreen:

Hi. I recently posted a small update on the List of minimum wages by country, specifically on the row for Argentina; they just enacted another raise in the minimum wage, effective August 1 ([1]). I wasn't able to update the exchange rates built into the template though, and these should be refreshed as well. The official dollar exchange rate currently is 5.49 pesos (verifiable with a simple Google search), and for purchasing power parity purposes it's 3.31 pesos ([2]). Please contact me if you have any questions, and thanks for all your good work.

98.166.186.191 (talk) 21:06, 29 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for updating the Argentine minimum wage. I had recently updated it, but I completely missed that it was about to be raised again. As you can probably tell, the List of minimum wages by country article is very much a work-in-progress.

As far as updating the exchange rates, the difficulty is that exchange rates vary on a daily basis. Just in the time since you wrote your message, the USD-ARS exchange rate has increased to 5.50. My working method has been to use the official exchange rate of The World Bank, which is published yearly. The template I use to do the exchanges is Template:To USD, which points to the template which has the most recent dataset (currently Template:To USD/data/2012). However, I would ask that changes not be made to this template unless the data is incorrect with respect to its source. If ad hoc updates are made to some countries but not others, it makes comparisons difficult. The only way I can see updating exchange rates to keep significantly more current is by creating a bot that updates all the countries at once from a single source.

The PPP calculation is done in a similar manner. In its case, the template is Template:International dollars, which currently points to Template:International dollars/data/2011. I had a discussion with another editor, and we decided to use The World Bank's data, when available, for our economic data instead of the International Monetary Fund. After you wrote, I reviewed the data template, and I found that I had used the IMF data for Argentina, but the WB data for 2011 has become available since then, so I switched it.

I'm not an economist, and I'm always looking for input from other people about how I can do things better. If you have any further suggestions or feedback, please don't hesitate to contact me. --Greenbreen (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Greenbreen:

My hat's off to you for maintaning such a massive amount of data; but please understand that the main article this template transcludes to is for current minimum wage values, regardless of when these were last updated (i.e. the U.S. minimum wage was last raised in July 2009, but - sadly - remains current today). In the case of Argentina, a country with fairly high inflation in peso terms, if you use a purchasing power exchange rate based on 2011 values, it will be WAY off; I recommend you continue to use the IMF figure, and that you update it to 2013 (which would be 3.31 pesos). The IMF database, in its last update, provides 2013 estimates for all member countries, and are generally accepted as some of the most accurate estimates around.

Thanks again, 98.166.186.191 (talk) 20:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned previously, the decision to use the World Bank data was made in consultation with another editor. I've left a comment on that editor's talk page requesting feedback. As you can see in that comment, in spite of Argentina's high rate of inflation, the inaccuracy due to being out-of-date is still less than the variation due to data source. I think the issues you raise are important, but unfortunately I just don't have a lot of free time to address them at the moment. Right now I'm more focused on trying to get all the countries templatized to relieve the burden of having to manually update everything. However, if the other editor thinks we should switch over to the IMF data, I'll do it. --Greenbreen (talk) 01:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Greenbreen that the most important thing at the moment for the list of minimum wages by country article is that the countries are templatised. This is very important since it will allow updates for currency conversions, purchasing price parity and GDP to be done much more quickly. I personally prefer the World Bank data because it is given in a much more organised, easy to read and link friendly format. It's also the data that google uses for its data results such as a country's GDP. However, if there are reliable sources that state that the IMF data is better than the World Bank data then of course the article could go with that data. At the moment, however, it's important to stick with one set of data for comparison purposes. If the template data is changed to IMF data this will cause data disunity because all the non-template country data uses World Bank data and changing the nontemplate data takes quite a bit of time. Also, great work Greenbreen in getting the different countries templatised -- the formatting, references, and completeness for the templatised countries looks great. Guest2625 (talk) 06:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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