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[edit]Hi, I noticed you added a "verify source" tag to a reference I inserted in the INC article. Precisely why did you do that? Your edit summary was not very clear. Of course the perception is subjective: that is why I use the analysis of a well known historian. Are you suggesting I'm mis-representing the source? In that case, why on earth do you think I would do such a thing? You need to have a better reason that that for tagging. I have removed the tag for now. Vanamonde93 (talk) 14:59, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, comparing Nehru and Patel and citing the reason being that Patel was 'more conservative and less secular' is subjective. Also that relevant text about Nehru coming to power over Patel on the quoted basis was not found in the source, (Guha) you have mentioned Pages 19 - 115, I searched through the book and didn't find it. Nehru won, that is fact. Other sources claim the victory was based on merit and that the divide was actually exaggerated. Thus the tag 'verify source'. Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 18:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- I am fine with the page revision as it now stands, but you're still being incredibly pedantic. Virtually every statement in that article, and in most historical articles, are subjective. "Great stature" from the previous sentence, is subjective. "Nehru embraced secularism" is also subjective. "Nehru was more secular than Patel" is as valid as any of the others, when it is sourced. And it was. You can't find a direct quote, to be sure, but there are certainly pages talking about why Nehru was entrusted with the top job; because he was more widely acceptable. The schism between them because of their views on Hindutva were explicitly stated. And speaking of subjective, "merit" is the most subjective criterion you can come up with. What is merit, if not acceptance among the electorate and the people he works with? Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- "Guha is a very good source but it doesn't have the previously quoted comparison about the two statesmen. Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2014 (UTC)"
- No comparison, you say? try this. "Nehru felt that it was the responsibility of the Congress and the government to make the Muslims in India feel secure. Patel, on the other hand, was inclined to place the responsibility on the minorities themselves. He had once told Nehru that the ‘Muslims citizens in India have a responsibility to remove the doubts and misgivings entertained by a large section of the people about their loyalty founded largely on their past association with the demand for Pakistan and the unfortunate activities of some of them." And also, "He meant here that Patel was friendly with capitalists while Nehru believed in state control of the economy; that Patel was more inclined to support the West in the emerging Cold War; and that Patel was more forgiving of Hindu extremism and harsher on Pakistan."
- "Guha is a very good source but it doesn't have the previously quoted comparison about the two statesmen. Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 19:16, 3 March 2014 (UTC)"
- If you insist that the sentence under contention be removed, I am fine with that, but this disagreement has to be mentioned, as it was a major factor in shaping the politics of the time as well as subsequent congress history. It does not have to be linked to the prime-ministership. If you object to "less secular," which I find to be a rather moderate phrasing of the idea, I am fine with quoting, and saying "more forgiving of Hindu extremism and harsher on Pakistan." Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:31, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- I found a few sources which claimed that it was 'done purely on merit' [1] but their reliability is doubtful so I never included that statement in the article. The INC article is a very important one which many people will read. I understand that there are other subjective details as well but I haven't been able to take note of all of them. I only took note of a few that I could chance upon.
Statements like 'Nehru embraced secularism and socialism' and that 'Patel embraced capitalism' and was Hindutva right-wing leaning are fine with sources. But the context here is the reason 'why Nehru won the post over Patel' which is not as was stated. The schism and the reasons need to be mentioned but they existed even after Nehru's election as well and I need a statement that says that Nehru was elected due to this particular reason. Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 19:44, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- If you don't mind me copy-pasting (you may call it 'shameless' ! ) I can use the quotes that you mentioned (such as "more forgiving of Hindu extremism and harsher on Pakistan." ) as well about Patel in some of the Wikipedia articles. :) Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 19:48, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- Better still, you can add it yourself in the article Vallabhbhai Patel under Criticism and legacy. That section al ready has a 'needs additional citations for verification' tag. You can help improve that section. Thanks. Kanga Roo in the Zoo (talk) 19:57, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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Nomination of The Early Coorgs for deletion
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[edit]Hi, I have mentioned you at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Early Coorgs. There is something a little peculiar going on, sorry. It may be nothing of significance, and I know that you haven't edited for a while, but it is unusual behaviour. - Sitush (talk) 13:26, 29 January 2017 (UTC)