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Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:19, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Geographical coordinates

As your are probably aware, Kerry, I’ve been doing a lot of copy editing on the articles on inland central and southern Queensland towns and localities. Some of them are strewn with geographical coordinates. I have been trying to tidy up the articles, and find it bizarre, to be honest, that they have these coordinates at all. They are invariably added adjacent to places such as schools, shops, even mines, that in these small towns cannot possibly be hard to locate.

Many people have a very low opinion of Wikipedia, thinking that as anyone can edit it, it must be full of rubbish. I disagree, of course, and I have been spending hour after hour on these and other articles in order to make them look better. Dealing with anything extraneous as well as any issues of grammar or unreadability. We need, to make Wikipedia look sensible. In every respect. Therefore, anything silly and without purpose has to be excluded. And that means removing something as downright weird and in my opinion I regret to have to say as ridiculous as the geographical coordinates of a coal mine or a school. We all know that mines are one of the very easiest things to find on a map, and of course everyone has easy access to GoogleMaps. The same can be said of schools.

I raised this elsewhere, sorry, I can’t remember where, but I had no response. No-one did me the courtesy of drawing my attention to their reply, so I wouldn’t have seen it. So today I removed the geographical coordinates of the mine at Hall Creek from the Hall Creek article, but you have reverted my edit, saying "already discussed".

Right now, I feel that there is no point in my cleaning up these articles, since they are laden with ridiculosities which I have no power to remove. There is no point in my spending any more time in my endeavours to make the articles look good when they have sillinesses in them which have to stay. So I give up. Seriously.

Is it more important to spend time adding interesting information to these articles or is it more important to add geographical coordinates to things which are already undoubtedly incredibly, extraordinarily easy to find? Boscaswell talk 05:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Boscaswell: It seems our messages have crossed. Please see my reply to you at Talk:Glenden, Queensland. But I think we must agree to disagree on the value of coords. I too have spent a lot of time contributing to Wikipedia and in particular creating content about Queensland, as my contributions history demonstrates (over 4900 articles created, mostly related to Queensland geography, history, and heritage sites) and, yes, there are a lot of coords in them. But it is a big encyclopedia. I think we can co-exist without annoying each other. Kerry (talk) 08:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Kerry Raymond hi, this is just to say that I haven’t forgotten this, but I’m just taking a few days' break from Wikipedia. All the best! Boscaswell talk 05:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Kerry Raymond Hello again. *smiles* OK, well as you may have noticed, I didn’t take a complete break from editing, just from this subject and anything related. As you could tell, my feelings about it were quite strong. They aren’t now. I see your point about disappearing places, although it’s unlikely that, for example, the named hills near Hughenden will. But we agree to disagree and yes we can co-exist productively. My interest in central Queensland continues, and I imagine I’ll be contributing to articles related.
Can I take this opportunity to point you in the direct of the points I’ve made on Talk:Cameron Dick. Decisions he and the green lobby make are impacting directly on many places in Central Queensland and elsewhere in the state and will see some places shuttered completely. Then there is the Pioneer River Pumped Hydro Scheme, which is massive. All the very best to you. Boscaswell talk 00:26, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
@Boscaswell: You might want to raise this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian politics as I only do historical biography (people who are notable for activities which occur pre-1955). I particularly avoid writing about current politics on Wikipedia. Kerry (talk) 01:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Kerry You know what, your "I’m staying out of that snakepit!" policy has a lot to commend it! Thanks for your suggestion about the Project talk page. All the best to you. Boscaswell talk 02:30, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Kerry. After further examination I have suggested the article Holloway Beach, Queensland for deletion as I sincerely believe it is a non-entity. I kindly invite you to proffer your arguments against deletion, if you maintain such, on the discussion page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holloway Beach, Queensland. Sorry for the trouble. Cheers, Oalexander (talk) 15:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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New pages patrol needs your help!

New pages awaiting review as of June 30th, 2023.

Hello Kerry Raymond,

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HTML line break

In a recent edit to Bellmere, Queensland, you inserted the wikitext </br>. This is invalid HTML; line breaks must be written as <br> or <br/>. See MDN's article on the subject for more information. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:47, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Melawondi railway station

Hello, Kerry Raymond,

Thank you for creating Melawondi railway station.

I have tagged the page as having some issues to fix, as a part of our page curation process and note that:

Per WP:NTRAINSTATION, "Train stations have no inherent notability and are not presumed notable for simply being train stations, but may be notable if they satisfy the WP:GNG criteria, the criteria of another subject-specific notability guideline, or other criteria within this notability guideline."

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Significa liberdade}}. Remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. For broader editing help, please visit the Teahouse.

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Significa liberdade (talk) 04:10, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade, I didn't create that article. As the history of the article shows from both the edit summaries (or a deeper inspection of the changes), I created a redirect to Melawondi, Queensland. Another user created the stub and clearly says so in their edit summary. If the tool you are using isn't smart enough to figure this out, I suggest you do a manual check of the history before using the tool. Kerry (talk) 04:46, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
HI, @Kerry Raymond -- I apologize for the confusion. Significa liberdade (talk) 14:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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Sorry about the accidental rollback

Sorry, accidentally clicked rollback on one of your edits on Strathpine railway station. All fixed. By the way, there's a new WikiProject for Australian transport located at WP:AUSTS. If you change anything regarding WikiProjects for railway stations and the like, could you please add that project. Thanks! Fork99 (talk) 05:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

@Fork99: No worries, I've done this plenty of times too. It's an easy mistake to make. Kerry (talk) 06:47, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

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An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Yeronga State School, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Flèche.

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I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Kerry Raymond. Thank you for your work on Oxenford railway station. User:North8000, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

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North8000 (talk) 19:12, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

New page patrol October 2023 Backlog drive

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Deletion discussion about Bonathorne railway station

Hello, Kerry Raymond, and welcome to Wikipedia. I edit here too, under the username Significa liberdade, and I thank you for your contributions.

I wanted to let you know, however, that I've started a discussion about whether an article that you created, Bonathorne railway station, should be deleted, as I am not sure that it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia in its current form. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bonathorne railway station.

You might like to note that such discussions usually run for seven days and are not votes. And, our guide about effectively contributing to such discussions is worth a read. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

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Significa liberdade (talk) 05:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Significa liberdade: I really think someone needs to get the Page Curation tool fixed. I did not write the article, I created a redirect, as the page history clearly shows, so you need to talk with the user who create the article. I am getting very fed up with being communicated with by people using this tool without checking who it is contacting. Please either fix the tool or use it more carefully. Kerry (talk) 05:56, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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Newspapers with "And" in their names...

should be lowercase "and". I've correcting a bunch of these, and you've added some new ones. Dicklyon (talk) 04:49, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

They will come up in a lot of Australian content. They are machine-generated by the National Library of Australia. We've asked them to fix them up but still waiting on it to happen (they've been rather short of funding of late). I'll try to run a script over them from time to time to fix them. Kerry (talk) 05:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

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New pages patrol newsletter

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Nomination of Dexus for deletion

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Halliford, Queensland

I'm not sure if you're familiar with this article, but you may be able to help. This place has a population of 5 apparently, but says it has a president named Kishaan Satha. I suspect it is a case of vandalism. Can you clarify, if possible? Thanks. Editrite! (talk) 07:30, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely vandalism and more extensive that just the addition of a president. I have reverted it all, but it is a bit worrying that this vandalism remained undetected for about 2 years! So thank you for spotting it. Kerry (talk) 09:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

November Articles for creation backlog drive

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There is a backlog of over 1000 pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:24, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

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