User talk:Morton devonshire/Archive07

Happy Holidays!

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Happy Holidays!

Where is AquaMan? --Tbeatty 00:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Could AquaMan use a keyboard without shorting it out? :-) JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 00:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. By using my special "Suck Powers(tm)" I am able to keep the water off the keyboard and stains off the blue dress. I am trying not to suck on Wikipedia but my "Suck Powers(tm)" are overwhelming. --F.a.A.f.A. 05:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

New Pearl

please see talk: The New Pearl Harbor — Xiutwel (talk) 12:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

pink piggy

Thanks for the pink piggy box, it looks pretty cool!  :) Umeboshi 22:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

A noticeboard sure is quicker than waiting for the daily shortwave numbers station broadcast from Illuminati master control. Thanks for the note, nice video. --Dual Freq 01:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahoy matey!

150px

Ahoy there, unflagging Bush-junta supporter!

The spamalicious graphic notification you left on my (and 25+ other) talk page[s] was in violation of WP:SPAM, specifically "promotion of ...Web sites, fandoms, ideologies, or other memes." How would you like it if I left you a similar message promoting : 911 Truth: Bush read about pet goat while America burned? Wait... I just did! :-) Good cheer, returned - F.A.A.F.A. 23:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Rosenkreuz = Sockpuppet of Morton Devonshire

Both allegedly Jesuit-educated Wikipedians with PhDs, and know-it-all, hysterical blow-hards on the same topics, among other evidence. Check out their various contributions and the timing thereof. User:Rosenkreuz is Morton's over-the-top "I say, old chap, oh-such-an-Englishman, tea and crumpets, "S'wounds!" manifestation. --Tangerine5000 16:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Brilliant. You, who have less than 50 edits, are accusing me of being a sockpuppet? What are you afraid of that you have to hide behind a different username to make your accusation? What other username do you edit under? Heh, if you think you can build a case, go ahead and ask for a Checkuser. Filmy if you ask me, but 'fill your boots' if you must (although I have traveled in a black helicopter on occasion). The USEBACA demand it. Morton devonshire 22:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Eh? Yes, I would like to see you build a convincing case. Then we can go to checkuser, if the people there are prepared to take such tenuous accusations seriously, and you can feel embarassed after making a prat of yourself. I would like to think that if a fellow USEBACA agent and crafty Jesuit graduate was going to design an alter ego for himself, he would do better than to leave such obvious clues: but, of course, maybe that's just what They want you to think, and the placement of the categories was deliberately in order to be able to make this very excuse! Alternatively, maybe more than one person who attended a Jesuit school and subsequently received a doctoral degree edits Wikipedia, and also (probably having more than a little to do with their education) thinks that the `scholars' for `truth' are even more laughable than the Diabolicals. But why bother with prosaic, straightforward explanations when intrigue and fanciful stories can be constructed?

Incidentally, Morton, thanks for the good cheer (the original purpose of my visit to your talk page) - and best wishes for the new year. Power to your elbows, and don't talk too much about the black helicopters: we can't have every minuteman with a homemade missile launcher trying his luck each time the traffic reporter flies above his trailer. Rosenkreuz 23:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way, that PhD business is pretty funny, since in reality, you're really going for a first degree in law (and you're a pot-head). I think you are probably in Edinburgh. --Tangerine5000 17:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Um, perhaps you ought to look up the term `legal majority' as in `age of majority' (i.e. I was contrasting it with the child in Africa bit). Unless you were just making a bad pun. And as for me being in Edinburgh, well, Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks, you know. Rosenkreuz 18:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment: Tangerine5000 has been perma-blocked as a disruptive sock of Fluffbrain/Cheezwiz/XP/Rootology. Bye-yee ED-troll maggot! The Illuminated Master of USEBACA 02:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Morton devonshire, I am requesting your comments

I have just filed a formal complaint against BenBurch and F.A.A.F.A., alleging that they have formed a cabal or meatpuppet partnership, in violation of WP:CABAL.

ANI Complaint

I notice that you have encountered their special brand of tag-team intimidation in the past, and I encourage you to comment on your experiences at the page I have linked above, during the investigation. Thank you for your input. ArlingtonTX 20:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Cabal Free!

	CABAL-FREE ZONE
	This user space is guaranteed to be 100% Cabal Free, and 'sanitized for your protection'. "Certified Grade A, 100% Cabal Free" - U.S. DIvision of Cabal Inspectors - D.H.S. Fairness And Accuracy For All 00:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Just like the vegetables I buy are guaranteed to be "100% Organically Grown", my user space is now certified to be '100% Cabal Free'! I'll send the Cabal Inspection Crew around to check out yours Morty. (hint.... slip him a 20) Happy New Year! - F.A.A.F.A. 00:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Bro, i appreciate your comment. From the very begging when you called me "the energizer bunny" i took you for a good guy with good intentions. And your efforts to claim some kind of justice by trying to un-delete the Islamic afd board is appreciate. But I'm a bit worn down, i have had enough of controversies and trying to go against the stream. Right now, i'm trying to save a site that is #1 Shi'a site according to both google and yahoo, google giving it a page ranks of 8, but is nevertheless deleted as non-notable... im not even upset.

We have already created Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Islam to have somewhere... and guess what? It' pathetic.

I'm sure you believe you are doing good by deleting articles like this, this and this... even though they fulfill all criteria for inclusion. I Guess things need to go this way, those articles need to be deleted, so that people in the future can look at them and wonder at human nature. So that is the way it is, i now understand that there is no point in trying to hold a to large burden, it's useless if the time is not right.

So, thanks for the message, i see you as a brother in humanity... and i don't care for the Muslim related afd page anymore. I'm used to be against everybody, you know, im a 1) Muslim 2) "CT" 3) 4 Shi'a 5) living in the west.

Sorry for the late answer, the whole issue seems so meaningless. Peace.--Striver - talk 14:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

There are many Muslims here, and they are well-integrated -- no ghetto-enclaves in my fair city. You would be very welcome in my office, and in my home. Happy New Year to you! Morton devonshire 06:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

And you are equally welcomed to my house... if i weren't anonymous on the internet :)

Happy New Year to you :) --Striver - talk 14:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You might be interested in...

this: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Blocked_User:Fluffbrain. Jayjg ^(talk) 05:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

F.Y.I.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Controlled demolition hypothesis for the collapse of the World Trade Center (3rd). TheOnlyChoice 22:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Free speech zone

Free speech zone is currently a featured article candidate. I'm a bit worried about whether the people cited are reliable sources. Would you be able to have a look at it?

Also, there's some discussion on whether Religion of Peace should be a redirect to Little Green Footballs. Andjam 00:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Free speech zone. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Left you a friendly message

Because I'm a friendly guy, and you're a friendly guy, I left you a friendly message on my friend NU's talk page. - Fairness And Accuracy For Friendly Folks 23:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Dude, I always follow you around. It's how I know where the juicy/kooky articles are : ) You won't catch me near those Creationism pieces though -- have fun with that! Your friend, The Illuminated Master of USEBACA 23:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you're admitting to 'Wikistalking' me Morty, since there's no other reasonable explanation for you finding the Project Megiddo article seven minutes after I created it! Your honest admission reminds me of another great American - George Washington - and the cherry tree. Kudos Morty! Why won't you help with the Creationist Conspiracy Theories? Do you know that Answers in Genesis has 160 employees, an average donation of $70 a pop, and is spending 25 MILLION dollars building a museum to propogate the US GOV DENIED AND DISPROVEN Conspiracy Theory that the earth is 6-10,000 years old? A significant numbers of these 6-10,000 year old earth CT believers are actively working towards hastening the apocalypse, hoping to kill 1/3 (?) of mankind in an effort to bring about the second coming. See > Red Heifer Show me a 9/11 truth org with even 1/10 that kind of clout or inherent evilness. - Fairness And Accuracy For Atheists 00:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You crack me up. Keep swinging that scythe, man! The Illuminated Master of USEBACA 02:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

A scythe is a scary looking tool. Ozzy would be proud... JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 03:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Morty, I see you chose not to comment on the fact that there are several Million Americans like John Hagee who are praying for, and actively working towards fomenting Armageddon. (where most believe that all Jews who don't convert will burn in hell) An uncomfortable subject ain't it? I won't bust yer balls over it. I wouldn't want to talk about it either, if I were you. ;-) - Fairness And Accuracy For All Who Don't Want to Die Just So Fundies Can Get Raptured 05:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

You're learning about the religious right from the American Prospect? Do you try to learn about the DNC from Rush Limbaugh to balance it out? --Tbeatty 05:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

(UI)Hi Beatty, Happy New Year. My main source of info on apocalyptic Christians are the believers themselves, through their own writings on sites like Rapture Ready, along with other Christian sites like Ministry Watch. I also rely on the claims of various Christian ministries who disagree with each other over particular end times prophecies. They don't pull any punches! I think that AP article is an accurate portrayal. If you want to continue this discussion, feel free to post on my talk page. - Fairness And Accuracy For All 06:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Header style

Hi, Morton. Wikipedia's style for headers can be found at WP:HEAD, and says, "Capitalize the first letter of the first word and any proper nouns in headings, but leave the rest lower case. Thus 'Rules and regulations', not 'Rules and Regulations'." This is pretty uniform throughout Wikipedia, and there are several bots which will change headers to the preferred style automatically; I just happened to catch it in the Franklin article. For example, most articles have a section titled "External links", not "External Links". Note that title words are capitalized, however; if there had been a magazine article with that title, it would properly appear as "A Carefully Crafted Hoax", or a book as A Carefully Crafted Hoax. But in the header it's just a quotation extracted from a document, not the title of anything.

I have noticed that full capitalization of non-auxillary words in headlines, chapter and section titles of documents, etc., seems to be somewhat of an Americanism; British and other publications have capitalized only the first word (and proper nouns) in headlines for quite a while. Many U.S. newspapers and magazines have adopted the same style; a headline that might have appeared as "Man Bites Dog" 30 years ago is much more likely to be "Man bites dog" today. Best, --MCB 22:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Meatpuppet investigation of BenBurch & FAAFA

I have started a meatpuppet investigation of these two and I urge you to follow through with it. - ClemsonTiger 00:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

What's happenin'?

I was going to title this section "W"hat's "H"appenin'? - but figured I might have gotten into trouble! I'm trying to figure out what all the brou-ha-ha is about, but I'm not sure that I've traced the origin. Can you give me the 4-1-1, in a nutshell? Like you do me, I keep track of your fracases, as I know that where ever there's smoke eminating from the Illuminated Master's head, there's likely to be a Black Hole of Wiki importance. Have you considered that your user faux username, glorifying the actions of one of Wiki's most egregious recent trolls, might just be a tad counterproductive? Fairness And Accuracy For Jimmy Carter 07:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't really get it myself -- much ado about nothing. Basically, stuck my melon into the wrong bee-hole, and got stung by the bees, and bit by the bears! Crikey! And I thought the foil-folks were TRUE BELIEVERS. Pikers compared to the ARTICLE I SHALL NOT NAME. They watches us, Smeagle. Me, Alice, fell down the Rabbit Hole, and entered Wonderland. The subject was of Zero Import. You would have enjoyed my agony, Bro. I'll take your advice on the moniker -- twas sport anyway. Cheers. Morton Devonshire^Yo 22:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

RIP Robert Anton Wilson, fnord!

Robert Anton Wilson, one of the great writers and thinkers of the 20th century has passed on. His seminal work, The Illuminatus! Trilogy, and other writings, taught me not only to question almost everything, but to honor the power of, and sometimes even embrace the outlandishness of certain conspiracy theories, while not necessarily believing in them. After all -- how far apart in terms of probability, are the claims that aliens from the planet Xenu terrorized the earth, that the planes which hit the WTC were actually holograms, that George Bush and Queen Elizabeth are really Reptilian Humanoids, or that a man lived inside the stomach of a whale for 3 days and survived unscathed? Robert (RAW) was a libertarian, founder the Guns and Dope Party, The Pope of the Church of the SubGenius and Bishop of Discordianism. If you don't know his work, especially The Trilogy, you should. All Hail Eris! and fnord! - Fairness And Accuracy For Tom Delay 23:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm embarassed to tell you that I read my Bohunk sister's copy of Leviathan in the late '70s, but my head was so buried in Stranger in a Strange Land during that period that I couldn't begin to tell you what it was about. If you're interested in other works in this genre, a modern non-fiction example would be Astonish Yourself: 101 Experiments in the Philosophy of Everyday Life, which is quite fun (and a hell of a lot less serious), and my fictional favorite, Foucault's Pendulum (which you shouldn't tackle unless you want to lose about a week of your life). I was heavy into deconstructionism and its Discordian progeny at one time, but lost respect for it once I discovered that its adherants (and my profs) were guilty of the same kind of dichotomous judgmental tendencies as those they criticized -- that experience embedded in me for a lifetime a serious dose of skepticism for all such "universal theories" that seek to debunk rational analysis. The result being that my BS-meter goes off anytime somebody tries to tell me that they have a "grand explanation" for what is otherwise readily explicable. I'm guessing by your description that Wilson would lampoon both, and possibly, anybody who took Wilson too seriously. Morton Devonshire^Yo 00:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

2001 anthrax attacks

Could you take a look at 2001_anthrax_attacks? I've spotted a few tin-foil-hat-wearing investigators in the amateur journalist section. —Viriditas | Talk 11:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

A disaster "infested with moon bats"

They said it, not me.

Software guru Eric Raymond, whose work reportedly inspired Wales, recently told New Yorker writer Stacy Schiff that Wikipedia is a disaster "infested with moon bats."

Seattle Times: Business & Technology, January 15, 2007. Need I say more? Morton Devonshire^Yo 18:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Could this be you, dear reader? Morton Devonshire^Yo 18:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me - everyone knows there are no bats on the moon. ... Kafkaesque Seabhcan 19:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you agree about Pat, Morty.

From the article: Robertson's tome The New World Order was described as a 'catch all for conspiracy theories' by Christian academic Don Wilkey:

"Pat Robertson’s work, NEW WORLD ORDER, is a catch all for conspiracy theories. It combines the paranoia of the Old Right with modern versions. A summary of Robertson’s book is found on page 177 in which Pat says a conspiracy has existed in the world working through Freemasonry and a secret Order of the Illuminati, a group combining Masons and Jewish Bankers." - Fairness And Accuracy For The Illuminati 20:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad to see he didn't blame the Moon's Bats. Those bats are blamed for too much these days. You could almost call it an anti-bat conspiracy, or anti-batism. Shameful. ... Kafkaesque Seabhcan 21:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The moonbats would call that a 'false flag' operation designed to get them to lower their guard. All part of the all encompassing Operation Gladio. Gladio has only one less letter than Jimbo and they both end in 'o'. --Tbeatty 07:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Now there's a conspiracy theory! There you go, blaming bats for everything again. ... Kafkaesque Seabhcan 12:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Travb and his Pursuit of HappYness

Thanks for your support Morton_devonshire, I have read those posts and now have a clearer understanding of just how much of a disruptive user User Talk:Travb is. I have also looked through a lot of his edits to other users talk pages and come across a whole lot of complaints of malicious editing and even one where he archived someones talk page. He keeps reverting my own talk page as well even after I cleaned it up as per directions from an Admin. It seems this user has a passion for Conspiracy, Government Control, Corporate Abuse and Coverups which would explain his zeal in promoting his Anti Firestone Propoganda. I dont have a problem with NPOV reporting of these incidents but I do take acception when it is written from a POV. Thanks once again for your support and I hope all goes well for you too. Mobile 01 02:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the signature tip, I like it. Actually I found out about the {{insert page name here}} trick from TravB's Talk page. I borrowed the code and then modified it to what I wanted. See he is usefull for something. Mobile 01^Talk 03:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Aha, you're getting the color thing down too, I see. BTW, all of the html code for colors can be found at List of Crayola crayon colors. They all start with the # symbol. For example, Shocking Pink is #FF6FFF. I haven't tried using them in signatures, but I've used them to make nifty user boxes. Morton Devonshire^Yo 03:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips, I have learnt heaps just from your tips and seeing how you have done things. Never got into HTML as it's more my husbands thing. I really liked your calendar display so I borrowed it for my talk page too. Hope you don't mind. Is there any way to change the time zone though as I would like to display Australian Time instead. ? Mobile 01^Talk

Sorry, it's a UTC (i.e. Greenwich time) template, and not mine. I looked for others, but couldn't find any. All Wikipedia edits are time-stamped in UTC, so it's helpful to have it so you don't have to do the math from your own time zone. Morton Devonshire^Yo 02:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should start a campaign to change the whole time stamp deal! Having it in Greenwich is clearly a POV attempt to glorify those socialist Euroweenies! Friggen Wiki Commies! Anybody with half a brain will agree that the time stamp should be based in the USA! I propose that it move with Dear Leader, so that when He's in DC it's there, and when He's in Crawford Texas, it's there! I will suggest this to Duncan Hunter, our next President, so he can get to work on it! I hope we have your support Morty! - Fairness And Accuracy For Randy 'Duke' Cunningham 07:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Duncan Hunter? I had a dream once that he was the antichrist. One step closer. Yeesch! Morton Devonshire^Yo 18:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Update - Just so you know, user Travb has now turned the Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Mobile 01 page into another attack on me, he has even responded to what you wrote citing that you didnt tell the whole story. Then he turns around at the end and says he will get a third party because I am attacking him and he only wants to compomise. Not looking for support on this, just thought I would tell you about it and maybe bring a smile to your face. Is this guy for real? Mobile 01^Talk 15:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

He employs The Chewbacca Defense. If you need any help, feel free to e-mail me. Morton Devonshire^Yo 20:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Now I have a WP:NPA on my talk page from Travb, seems my comments on your talk page constitute a NPA violation. He seems to have deleted his user talk:travb/m page or had it deleted by an admin. I cant tell because there is no edit history. If you blank a user/? page does the history just vanish too, because I am confused as to why it no longer shows. Travb seems also to be working his way around wiki and deleting anything negative he has said about me. Most probably so as not to look hypocritical for his WP:NPA complaint of me. P.S. - I see you got dragged into his Bridgestone Employees debate as well. Hope your having a good day. Cheers from TLDU Mobile 01^Talk 09:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It's still there. The talk page for it has only one comment but the regular page was just blanked and has a historyTbeatty 10:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		For Coming To The Aid of The Damsel In Distress Mobile 01Talk 06:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I have done as you requested. Mobile 01^Talk 02:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• It's one thing to say, "I disagree with Travb's analysis"; but saying "Never mind Travb, he has a history of making false accusations" is needlessly stirring the pot. I removed a thread that followed from that sort of comment. Commenting on the case at hand is fine, although "obsessive hounding" could have been worded more thoughtfully. Thatcher131 05:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I understand what you're saying -- and am looking for suggestions on how to handle it. It's something that he does frequently, and I thought that needed to be pointed out so that the editor on the receiving end did not become intimidated by the tactic. Please take a look at the compilation at User:Travb/m -- don't you think it's excessive? I am very tired of the false accusations, such as the one that he placed on your talk page that prompted your presence here. I'm not trying to be flip here when I say, what am I supposed to do about this? I would appreciate some latitude in confronting the bad behavior. We're talking about a user here who has previously been indefinitely banned for not following our rules, resurrected, and blocked again for incivility. Morton Devonshire^Yo 07:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You just need to stick to the case at hand. If you want to deal with an (alleged) pattern of false, misleading or abusive sockpuppet allegations, you should probably file an RFC. Thatcher131 12:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. "Paying them no mind" is a perfectly valid response, and often preferable to starting an RFC, which will certainly turn into a circus. See FAAFA's RfC for a good example. Crockspot 16:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Project Megiddo

Working link to FBI public document. Talk page and article updated as well. Thanks! F.F.McGurk 07:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

F.F. McGurk, eh? Fifth of November, eh? I was a little slow on the uptick, but now it's coming together for me. This is a friendly reminder to remember our rules about such things. Morton Devonshire^Yo 18:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Notice that F.F.McGurk has been perma-banned as a Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Rootology. Cheers Matey! Morton Devonshire^Yo 03:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

A CT for 'ya!

I see you're pining for some cruft-killing. Here's one for you. Morgellons. Is it a real disease or just Delusional_parasitosis? I saw a TV show on it, and the 'sufferers' who claimed that they had fibers growing out of their skin were loopier than a convention of Scientology-Practicing, LaRouche-Voting, 9/11 Truth (hologram theory) Researchers! Give it a go ! - Fairness And Accuracy For John Titor 11:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

9/11 quackery

I saw you added two 9/11 pages to the skeptic watchlist. Strictly speaking, quackery deals with medical issues. Bubba73 (talk), 03:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Does that mean only the people involved should be identified with quackery? How about a Quackery template? --Tbeatty 03:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

What I'm saying is that people that are identified with quackery are normally in bogus medicine, not 9/11, etc. Bubba73 (talk), 05:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you call it "9/11 Bat-ery" ? ... Kafkaesque Seabhcan 11:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Your userpage appears to have been borrowed...

User:I don't know why looks awful familiar. I smell Cplot, considering the link in the header. Tony Fox (arf!) 06:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I seem to be her "Special Friend". Morton Devonshire^Yo 06:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on that! =P Tony Fox (arf!) 06:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

And her continued interest is proof, as Weregerbil would say, that I piss her off. For that, I am thankful. Morton Devonshire^Yo 06:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		Elaragirl's Barnstar of Defiance
		For your wonderfully sarcastic user page, war on stupid conspiracy nuts, and refusal to let the loonies run this place, you inspire me to fight on. --ElaragirlTalk|Count 17:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I haven't laughed so hard in weeks, man. Those pictures on your user page are just golden. --Elaragirl^Talk|Count 17:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Travb and the Chewbacca defense

Per a discussion on my talk page, Travb took an edit summary of yours ("Chewie") as calling him Chewbacca. It doesn't look to me like that's what you meant, but anyway please call him 'Travb' if you need to call him by name. Tom Harrison ^Talk 02:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I am referring to The Chewbacca Defense, which is a term used to refer to any legal strategy or propaganda strategy that seeks to overwhelm its audience or jury with nonsensical arguments, as a way of confusing the audience and drowning out legitimate opposing arguments. It seems to be his way of dealing with conflict, and the reason he's not permitted on my talk page. Morton Devonshire^Yo 06:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I expect that the Chewbacca Defense will be used to the fullest by Dear Leader on Tuesday Night ! (also known as the Simian Flinging Poo Defense ). - Fairness And Accuracy For Randy 'Duke' Cunningham 09:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Quack - Quack

Quack Quack... Ducky's Watching You ! FAAFAD

FAAFAD, I'm not sure entirely what you intended, but I wanted to thank you for the duck pic -- just looking at it makes me feel all calm and serene inside.

Behold the duck
It does not cluck.
A cluck it lacks.
It quacks.
It is special fond
Of a puddle or a pond.
When it dines or sups,
It bottoms ups.


~The Duck, by Ogden Nash

Cheers. Morton Devonshire^Yo 03:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad you like it! Thanks for the poem! By the way, I'm not accused of being a, or using sock puppets - a sock puppeteer is accusing me of being a meat puppet of Ben Burch. (how come I'm not the meat puppeteer? I wanna be the 'teer!;-) I've tried to explain to this unrepentant puppemaster that we're more akin to an informal two-person cabal - like a mini version of the old Conspiracy Theorists Cabal - but whose occasional common interest is political forums like DU and FR - and even encouraged him to start a Cabal investigation against us - but he won't listen! Jinx and Crocks are on the case now too, so perhaps it will go somewhere! Perhaps you'd like to join in the fun! There are so many slings and arrows being directed at me that I feel like Chuck Hagel at a Warbloggers convention! - Fairness & Accuracy For All

Template:911ct

I know you feel strongly about conspiracy theories. In general I think most of them are complete bollocks, too. I suppose some will have merits, somewhere. Like you, I believe this template to be useful, far more useful that its counterpart 911tm, since the ct one is capable of being applied to a wider spread of articles.

You may be interested in the comments made at Template_talk:911ct#Conspiracy_vs._Alternative with regard to naming it differently in order to meet the apparent needs of a greater swathe of people. I suppose "Alternative" could be regarded as legitimising the various crackpot theories whereas "Conspiracy" seems to state more clearly what they are, but, since we are presenting facts in Wikipedia and letting the reader judge I am not sure that the greater good would not be served by renaming. You may take a different view, so I am drawing the item to your attention. Fiddle Faddle 07:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yo, Morton, care to drop your vote? Lovelight 03:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Thanks for the heads up.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 03:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Iraq and WoT

As you have participated in this discussion in the past, I invite you to participate in discussion on the topic of the relationship between the Iraq War and the US-led War on Terrorism campaign at this location. ~Rangeley (talk) 03:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

And The Band Played On

User_talk:AnonEMouse#Sockpuppet_Case Mobile 01^Talk 14:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Toast.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 19:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Wayne Madsen & PISCES

I'm not familiar with Madsen his work, but the article I've referenced passed imho the criteria of editorial oversight, and the claims concerning PISCES are not inconsistent with the (State Department) material I've found so far -- so I'm inclined to re-include it. I must admit I'm not altogether happy with the level of information available (and thus possible corroboration), which partially explain why it's stuck at draft. Therefore I'm planning to contact someone who worked on the project (see talk) and submit it to peer review in a later stage. Cheers, maarten 22:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Mediation request

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Chewbacca Speaks

If we weren't meant to eat animals,

Why are they made of Meat?

Mobile 01^Talk 00:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Have you ever created an article

Morton, this is a genuine question:

• Have you ever created an article?

Travb (talk) 00:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

If we're going to converse, there has to be some ground rules:

• • this is a conversation, not a storehouse library for your future wars against me
  • no accusations, warnings, intimidations, et al.
  • keep a sense of humor
  • keep responses short

Can you live with that? If so, I will answer your questions and you can remain on my talk page.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 00:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Same applies to my talk page Travb. Mobile 01^Talk 08:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Kewl. Travb (talk) 00:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been writing now as part of my professional life for years, and in that time I've had great editors. Those editors have been merciless in gutting my work, and I've learned from that -- I'm a much better writer now than when I first graduated. Wikipedia does not suffer for want of new material, but it does suffer greatly from superfluity, exaggeration, axe-grinding, and well, cruft. The most helpful thing I can do on Wikipedia is to try to tighten the writing that's here so that it reflects a realistic and apolitical perspective on the world -- much like a regular encyclopedia. So, in essence, I've adopted the role of editor here -- pare, prune, hone, suggest, and sometimes, send you back for a complete re-write. I could write new pieces, but Wikipedia doesn't need that -- it needs an Editor.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 01:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Kewl, thanks for answering my question. I was sincere in my question by the way. I am always interested in learning how other people think, and why they do what they do. I have asked open questions like this from several editors I have been in debates with in the past, including TDC, CJK, and Rjesen. I am glad you took the question on its face.

Of course, we have different conflicting opinions about wikipedia, which someday I hope we will resolve. Hope this is short enough :) Travb (talk) 12:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yo've earned it

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For helping to keep nonsense to a minimum.--MONGO 18:36, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for the SF listing

I knew you didn't want me to become a freeper. BTW; whats an rl ? Mobile 01^Talk

Re: Current AfD

Please see: [1] Please change your incorrect assessment of this external webpage, because it is clearly incorrect. Thank you. Travb (talk) 17:40, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

See my response on the CDNewsCenter Afd.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 18:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

FYI

FrontPageMag.com up for deletion. Travb (talk) 03:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I looked, but didn't see it. Can you point the way?  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 18:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Lets try this again

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SOAPy stuff

Hello Morton. Hope you weren't too upset by anything I wrote. I was look at new pages, and I found Comparison of Iraq war to the Algerian War of Independence. I thought maybe you'd like to keep an eye on it. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'm fine with the Iraq/Algiers War article, as it's a subject which has been covered by the reputable press, and not something some Wikipedian made up one day in an effort to smear the Homeland, relying upon his favorite blog for citation. I will keep an eye on it. As to your comments on the Common Dreams NewsCenter Afd -- I'm not upset at all. I think you comport yourself wonderfully. We can all disagree, without being disagreeable. Cheers and Happy Editing!  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 00:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

No worries, seemed like it might be one of those "undue weight by extra articles things" we all remember from the 911cruft days. Why the Algerian War? A rubbish analogy in many ways. Especially if you're arguing for immediate withdrawal. And what about the poor harkis? Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Undue weight, perhaps -- let's give it some time, but I'm less concerned about it as the notion really was discussed in the mainstream press (unlike the "laser beam brought down the Towers" and similar notions), so it at least minimally meets our WP:RS standards. As a political analogy, you are correct -- I've never been a Kissinger fan, and I think his analogy is lazy and derivative of the U.S. Army's interest in the Algiers insurgency, which interest is strictly from a tactical perspective (i.e. what can we learn from the Algiers insurgency that we can apply to the Iraqi insurgency). Unlike its Vietnam counterpart, today's Army is full of bright men who ask these tough questions, and are willing to change tactics to match circumstances -- too bad the civilian leadership won't do the same (on both the Repub & Dem sides). I guess some things never change.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 00:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Battleground

This isnt a battleground, noone is here to "defeat you", but ... Seems you picked the wrong glass again. --NuclearZer0 19:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Since you're here, I'll ask you: What is the personal beef you have with me? If there's a problem, let me know what it is, and I'll work it out with you. If I've done something to piss you off, I don't know what it is. Enlighten me.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 20:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Personal beef? I am reffering to your comment "never defeated" etc. I am trying to put your mind at ease by explaining to you, noone is here to "defeat you" =/ --NuclearZer0 20:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Can we just get to the bottom of this. What is it that I've done to upset you?  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 20:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not really sure what you are talking about. I made a comment on an AfD, of your responses one was "Never defeated, never deleted, often repeated. MortonDevonshire Yo · 18:38, 7 February 2007 (UTC)" I dropped by to tell you as I did above, noone is attempting to defeat you in any manner. Well I am not at least. --NuclearZer0 21:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, obviously you have some axe to grind, or you wouldn't make comments like this one: "remove faggot comments" 20:57 2 February 2007, and you wouldn't be following me around. Look, I'm not trying to box you in, as there is already enough to get you banned permanently if someone desired that. I'm just trying to understand what it is that you're upset about, so that we can make an attempt at working it out. Pretending will not make this go away.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 22:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Morton you lost me on this one. As for following I think we just have similar interests, I mean we did for over 2 months stumble on the exact same AfDs. =) Have a good one, and again noone is out to "defeat you" there are no cabals, no evil villians =) --NuclearZer0 11:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

So, the 'remove' faggot comment is not yours? Did someone hijack your user account?  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 17:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Believe what you like Morton, if you prefer running around Wikipedia believing I have a vendetta against you, and I am Dr. Evil and you are Austin Power, so be it. I am telling you I do not, and this is getting a bit repetitive. Sure I will see you around we share so many of the same interests [2] [3][4] Cheers! --NuclearZer0 17:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

It's only repetitive because you refuse to answer the question.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 19:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What is your question? "What do I have against you?" I already told you, nothing. Your refusal to accept the answer is what causes the repetition. I guess this is starting to be an excercise in insanity, repeating the same actions and expecting a different result. Oddly enough, I never found that definition actually in a dictionary. --NuclearZer0 20:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Good, I'm glad you have no animosity towards me, and I can consider all such comments from you, such as "remove faggot comments", as a warm and helpful greeting.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 20:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Some feedback on the nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common Dreams NewsCenter

Morton,

Hey man. I'm the poor sod who had to close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common Dreams NewsCenter. Lots of reading and re-reading arguments and making little tally marks on the back of an envelope and stuff like that. Ghh. But that's not what I'm here to talk about. I just wanted to give some constructive criticism of your nomination. Let me just paste it in right here:

First deletion reason: Fails WP:Notability -- a Google News Search results in ZERO results. Completely non-notable Wikipedia:Vanispamcruftisement. Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion. Part of a Walled Garden of the Progressive blogosphere.

When I'm looking at arguments to determine if they're worth counting, I'm looking for WP guidelines and policy and what not. Let's look at your argument.

• Fails WP:Notability -- a Google News Search results in ZERO results. - Totally kosher argument with me.
• Completely non-notable Wikipedia:Vanispamcruftisement. Cheeky is good. Also, valid argument.
• Part of a Walled Garden of the Progressive blogosphere. <hitting the brakes real hard sound> Uh-oh. This you probably could have left out. The debate over deleting this article was going to be nasty - I've got no illusions about that - but a comment like this from the nom right out of the gate makes everyone set their axes to "grind". If I were you, I'd leave that stuff out next time, in the (naive? maybe) hope that it'd help keep the argument a little less acrimonious.

Anyway, just my two bits. Funny userpage, by the way. A Train ^{take the} 16:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks for the advice. Well-taken.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 19:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

You want to get Crockspot to lay off reinserting discoverthenetworks into every article under the sun per your statement (which I am 100% on board with) at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common Dreams NewsCenter? Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll look at it over the weekend -- slammed at work today. Later.  MortonDevonshire  Yo  · 19:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)