User talk:Natkolk

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Speedy deletion nomination of Yodel Australia

A tag has been placed on Yodel Australia requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for organizations and companies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Sockpuppetry case

Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/YodelAu for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 05:14, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Yodel Australia

A tag has been placed on Yodel Australia, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Yodel Australia

A tag has been placed on Yodel Australia requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. You may wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. BarkingFish ^{Talk to me} | ^{My contributions} 22:29, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Natkolk. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Yodel_Australia.3F.
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Yodel Australia

Sorry, but due to your previous four incidences of deletion, somebody has create-protected the name and I cannot move it for you. You should also add some more sources\references, as I have mentioned on the Requests for Feedback page. When you have that fixed, I can ask that an administrator get it moved. Happy editing! ~ QwerpQwertus ·_Contact Me_·Get Adopted! 03:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback Page Remodeling

Hello! You recently posted a Request for Feedback here. We are currently "remodeling" the Requests for Feedback system and all entries have been archived. They can be found here. Any responses or posts there, however will not be seen. If you need additional feedback or have any questions, feel free to post at my talk page, or, when it is done, the new Feedback page. Also, we encourage you to help provide feedback! - No matter how new you may be, anyone can read an article and provide constructive comments!

If you have any questions or need help, feel free to leave me a message at my talk page. Happy editing!~ QwerpQwertus ·_Contact Me_·Get Adopted! 03:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yodel Australia

Hello. I saw your note at WP:AN/I and decided to take a look. For what it's worth:

I think the article still has issues with promotional tone. Parts of it simply sound more like advertising than like something you'd expect to find in an encyclopedia. I think one main causes of this are the numerous very short paragraphs (almost like a bulleted list), which are made up of very short sentences. Another reason would be the constant repetition of "Yodel" and "fulfilNET" -- the same sort of brand-name repetition you see (or rather, hear) in many television commercials.

On a more specific note, I see no reason to cover the history of fulfilNET in such detail; the article is about Yodel. It's certainly appropriate to mention that fulfilNET is the parent company, but I wouldn't expect to read about their web design services.

There are three external links -- two to Yodel and one to fulfilNET. That's two links too many. Just stick with the link to the main Yodel site.

I'd suggest trying to rewrite the article into a more newspaper-like prose-paragraph form, incorporating both the current history and location sections. The products section might also be incorporated, but should at least be refactored into the same sort of paragraph form. Watch those sentences like "Yodel is a certified Google Adwords Qualified Company and has met Google's requirements to gain the certified status." -- if it's a certified company, then the reader can assume that it's met Google's requirements to be certified. That's empty redundancy of the sort seen in corporate PR, but not in neutral reporting. Basically, it needs to be tightened up a bit.

Since you mentioned the sourcing, I'll also add that you have a couple of solid sources in there, and I think the notability and verifiability guidelines are met. Good work. Shimeru 09:00, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say that I agree with the user above. Your new draft is significantly improved from what it previously was, but it still reads a little choppy. Try to rearrange the wording into paragraphs and prose, rather than the dot-point style of writing you have at the moment (which one would not seen in an encyclopaedia). One other piece of advice I would have is to trim down the non-independent sources, the stuff from the Age and the SMH is good for notability, but maybe not so much the company's press releases. I suggest you also have a read of the business FAQ as well, if you have not already. Good luck! Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:43, 21 June 2010 (UTC).[reply]

I didn't get to see the original, but unfortunately, I have to agree, it is very promotional in tone. While you may have tried to keep it neutral, I'm guessing you are close to the company, and just don't realize how it is coming across. It does not read like an article written by a neutral party, it reads like someone in the PR department was aware of Wikipedia rules, and tried unsuccessful to tone it down a bit.--SPhilbrick T 19:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for your help guys, I really appreciate it. I have updated the article and followed your recommendations. Could you please have another look and let me know if there are more changes that I should make. If not, is it possible to get it put live? User:Natkolk/Yodel_Australia Once again, thankyou very much, it is highly appreciated. Natkolk (talk) 22:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I had a go at moving some things around to try to ease the flow of the text. What do you think of it? I hope I haven't misrepresented the nature of the Yodel/fulfilNET relationship; if my interpretation of it is incorrect, please feel free to restate it. Shimeru 02:00, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i've had a look at the article and also feel that it still rings a tad promotional. I know that you ave tried to make it as neutral as possible, but I will agree with the suggestions that you might be connected with the company in some way. I've edited a couple of Wikilinks for you, and if the article survives a move to mainspace, I'll have another go at copyediting it.--Kudpung (talk) 02:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou very much for your help. I am happy how the article looks now, and I see the changes you have made and how it could improve it. Is there anything else you recommend? If not, is there a way we can move this to the mainspace? I really appreciate your help. Thanks Natkolk (talk) 02:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Shimeru 03:34, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]