User talk:RHaworth/JWJ

The Hard Worker's Barnstar

I call into question the validity of your "Hard Worker's Barnstar". The Yunshui account does not have the authority or merit to offer you that award, and I am making a case with Wikipedia. I study law, so I am good at things like this. I also plan on researching every other detail on your User Page, as with your behavioral issue of spending more time threatening accounts, rather than editing. It seems you think you are here to police the ground rather than work. Jason West Jones (talk) 19:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from (talk page stalker): If your researches take you to WP:ADMINSTATS you will find that RHaworth has done over 114,000 administrator actions. I think you will have difficulty making a case that he is not a hard worker. Before embarking on this campaign, did you reflect on the motto on your user page: "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster"? JohnCD (talk) 20:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It does not bother me as to whom thinks I will make a case. But rather the case is made. My quote on my user page, something that has nothing to do with the issue above. Is nothing more than a favorite quote of mine. This has nothing to do with you, or the issue at hand. I'm sure I could go to your user page, and find something that would provoke thought, as to your concerns on Wikipedia. However, I see this as nothing more than a waste of time, that pulls away from the topic. For a good reason I'm sure. I think you will find I have a rather "laser" like attention span. And will not be shaken off topic.

As for what RHaworth has done vs. what I have done on Wikipedia. How can one get work done, when they are in fact too busy dealing with him in the first place? I came on Wikipedia to edit today, and spent more timing dealing with a very arbitrary matter. Something even Wikipedia has decided to deal with, by blocking use of "tags" that allow "some people" to abuse policy. : ) Jason West Jones (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just a word of advice: People pull this shit a lot. (And by "this shit" I mean what you're doing, not whatever you're accusing RHaworth of.) The truth is, what some idiots perceive as a cabal of corrupt admins is actually a group of by-and-large responsible editors who the aforementioned idiots pick fights with, and then complain about when they lose. You're being quite uncivil, and that's a recipe for disaster - go find a successful complaint against an admin, and try to find a single harsh word. I'm not saying you're an idiot. But you're going down a path that anyone can tell you won't end well.

Pal, right now you're at a crossroads: You're on the threshold of breaking about half a dozen behavioral guidelines. And you're alleging admin abuse, so that's not going to go unnoticed. You can go down that road. It normally turns into a string of blocks and recidivism ending with retirement, an indefblock, or a ban. Or you can just follow the wise words of this essay and drop the harassment.

I expect that you're going to ignore me, but I'd love to be surprised.

(RHaworth: I realize I'm stalking your talk page... every time I'm about to take it off my watchlist, something exciting happens! I obviously respect your right to deal with this on your own, and if you'd like me to stop chipping in, just say the word!) — Francophonie&Androphilie (Je vous invite à me parler) 21:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jason, RHaworth is well able to look after himself, but before complaining of the difficulty of getting work done, you should know that everyone's record is open to see, and your edit count at this moment shows that in five months you have made over 100 edits to user talk pages, 60 to user pages (almost all to your own) and less than 10 to articles. If you are looking for a social-networking site, or a place to write about yourself, Facebook and Myspace are that way; that's not what Wikipedia is about. JohnCD (talk) 21:23, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did not know this was a editing contest? Is there a number I need to meet so people like him don't annoy the heck out of me? This does not seeem like the actions of a non profit Wikipedia, but rather a slave driving force. I was going to make my donation today, but after seeing this. No way!! You guys need serious freaking help!! Jason West Jones (talk) 21:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning, Mr Jones. Does this mean that your user page is inaccurate on the topic of whether you are a donor to Wikipedia? If so, please correct it.

I don't see anything else wrong with your userpage, but I haven't reviewed earlier discussions in detail. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Demiurge, my objection is that as a non-editor, Jason is using Wikipedia as a free host for his user page. I am amused to see that today he has doubled his (article) space edit count from 3 to 6 presumably to support any claim of being an editor. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I donate every month, thank you. You are now corrected. There are more accounts on Wikipedia that are retired with less work than I have made, than I can count! Why am I being singled out?? Explain that, please! Jason West Jones (talk) 21:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Content noted. Thank you TPSs. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Demiurge, my objection is that as a non-editor, Jason is using Wikipedia as a free host for his user page. I am amused to see that today he has doubled his (article) space edit count from 3 to 6 presumably to support any claim of being an editor. — RHaworth"

Why is everything with you about some sort of attack? Yes, I edit my page, and it is not too prove a point to you! My god, are you insane? You do know the world does not revolve around you right? That had nothing to do with what you are saying. Nothing! Nothing at ALL!!! My god have you been doing this to people for so long, that you have lost all human element? I have nothing further to prove here. Jason West Jones (talk) 22:49, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize if I am being rude. Please understand, that as someone who works in law. Seeing someone abuse authority for their own amusement really upsets me. BYE Jason West Jones (talk) 23:07, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

...I only asked questions in a firm tone. But as you said. The people who are higher up love to "shit" on people. I'm guessing you will ignore this, but I'd love to be surprised too. : ) Jason West Jones (talk) 23:49, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not ignoring you. It is just that I have seen nothing that requires an answer. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:03, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't always try so hard to get the attention of someone like you. You struck a nerve on me. I know there is nothing to be "won". I know there is no reason for me to say a word. You are gonna do what you are gonna do. I have no doubt. But you must be able to see my point. You can not be so blinded by hate, that you would ignore another human who is trying to reach out to you and just ask, why? Why do you feel the need to provoke someone on this level? You don't need to answer the question. Because I am old enough to know the answer. Someone did the same to you, and now it's my turn right? So I am the blind mule? Good. I hope it feels real good buddy. Enjoy! Jason West Jones (talk) 00:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a joke, maybe you will laugh. Q: How do you get your girlfriend to scream during sex? A. Call her and tell her. lol Jason West Jones (talk) 00:51, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I try to approach Wikipeda with a complete absence of emotion. I have not set out to provoke you. If you consider my actions provocation, that is unfortunate but what can I do about it? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:25, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The very fact that you would ask yourself that question shows humility. And of course, I could never answer a question that someone is asking themself. If you are looking inward? If you are the type of person who seeks wisdom within his own thought? Than you are a much better person than I have given you credit for. I think I should take some time and reflect on my actions. I am sorry again for being rude to you. You were only trying to help. Though you were the only one trying...... Jason West Jones (talk) 00:28, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some policies

" There is a distinct school of thought that anybody can become a Wikipedia editor if you talk to them nicely and nurture them. I disagree: true Wikipedians are a distinct sub-species of homo sapiens. People often tell them "get a life" - but Wikipedia is their life! People come here to promote their company or band and write technically poor articles because they cannot be bothered to waste time learning wiki markup, etc. Are they ever going to become Wikipedians? "

This is a very good question on your user page. It provokes a lot of thought. If I can get you to break away from deleting every persons user page you come across for a moment. And by the way. I do know that you do not have the authority to use "wikipedia deletion tags". As people like you are the very reason, they have been locked down. Though I'm sure you do have the codes around. Using them without a just cause, has now caused Wikipedia so many issues. That they have put up a page, asking people like you TO STOP!! Would you like to see the page? Oh wait, I'm sure you have read it. Because I would bet cash money, you were one of the first to read it, after you were warned to stop abusing that policy.

Now as to the regards of the question above? Do you think there is anything about your Wikipedia "user page" that violated that above term? "People come here to promote their company or band and write technically poor articles because they cannot be bothered to waste time learning wiki markup" Because I see a few things on your User Page that do just that. I really enjoy these soon to be really long conversations we are sure to have. Please get back to me. Jason West Jones (talk) 20:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly would like to see the alleged page you mention - why did you not provide a link to it straight away? I have never heard of any "lock down". In fact most Wikipedia deletion tags are available for use by any class of user. Long conversations? You cannot be serious. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Haworth Sir. I say that with the up most respect. This all started with you telling me I am not meeting a work quota, so to speak. If there is a quota, why did you just not provide me with a link? I am finding your article now. I read it last month, as I was using StumbleUpon. Jason West Jones (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is one article from 2009. " Devoted efforts of a small number of obsessive editors, many of whom are quick to undo the work of trespassing newcomers." Link Jason West Jones (talk) 22:06, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And another... "Vandalism is the reason behind the change. All too often Wikipedia pages are marred by opposing political views, immature writers, and false information. A recent example was the falsely reported death of Senator Edward Kennedy in January; a sad proclamation that is now, unfortunately, all too true." Link Also, you might note since you have been here so long, that there is now a public relations dept on Wiki. Would you like to see that? : ) Jason West Jones (talk) 22:10, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also for fun and all. You really should read this. Three Minutes With Wikipedia's Founder Jason West Jones (talk) 22:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This was changed in 2006, remember? Jason West Jones (talk) 22:17, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do hope this makes you happy, about my " alleged page ". Please forgive me, as I study law, and read everything! Always! Til the end of time. I will always be more than happy to provide you with huge amounts of information. Just say the word. Thanks, and please. If you don't like something on my user page. Tell me what it is, don't threaten to delete it. It makes you look like a very unfriendly person. Just a tip. Not that I know that you are not one. Jason West Jones (talk) 22:27, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You claimed that Wikipedia deletion tags have been "locked down". Which of the pages to which you have linked, confirms (or even claims) that? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they have to new users, and editors who have abused policy. I just showed you that! Anyway, do I get to ask a question, or is this all about you? Why did you threaten to delete my user page, when you in fact have the same questionable content on yours? Such as your pictures, and hobbies. How do we not know you do not do that for money? Hmmm. Seems very questionable to me. Maybe someone could come along and threaten your user page, right? Oh wait they are not doing that right? Why are you? What is your problem? Jason West Jones (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize if I am being rude. Please understand, that as someone who works in law. Seeing someone abuse authority for their own amusement really upsets me. BYE Jason West Jones (talk) 23:08, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No comment. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:20, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

^ I wish you would do that more often. Off my talk page. Jason West Jones (talk) 00:34, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In America we have a term called "butt hurt". It is slang for when you feel humiliation. Right now I feel more "butt hurt" than a baboon sitting in a pile of fire ants. That is all. Good Day- Jason West Jones (talk) 00:54, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]