User talk:Rachida10z

Hey

Well it was quite a day over at the OP. Anyway I wanted to tell you that I hope you aren't getting a feeling that ppl are trying to sabotage this article and that we are all trying to do the best we can. Bye. Ltwin (talk) 06:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Punctuation and quotations

Hey, how's it going? Just wanting to let you know that Wikipedia's style when it comes to punctuation and quotation usage is different then the American style. Wikipedia's Manual of Style says that punctuation always goes outside the quotation marks unless it is part of the quote. Happy editing. Ltwin (talk) 10:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know how you feel. At the beginning of the year, I had just learned about the WP:BLP policy, and I was reading an article about a religious leader with some unsourced facts on it. So being Wikipedia Bold I placed a template on the talk page saying that this was a Biography of a living person and that, per policy, all unsourced material would be removed immediately. A little while later my changes were reverted and in the edit summary was written, "But he's dead"!

I love tigtening up the articles. I've seen those longer than necessary spaces and I always shorten them. If I'm unsure about something though I just always see what the manual of style says about it. I think the reason the for the punctuation makes sense though. Punctuation not in the original quote isn't technically part of the quote. I think Wikipedia took it from the British.

Thanks for the complement, but I can't take all the credit. Ecjmartin did alot of great work and I think he did alot of the sourcing for the belief sections. Ltwin (talk) 19:52, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OP Reference

Hi. I've fixed the ref. What you have to do is go into editing the article and instead of looking at the reference list, you have to go to the place in the article where the citation is placed and change it there. Hope that explains it. If you still need help just ask. Ltwin (talk) 21:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Well I should thank you for being the first person to compliment me on Wikipedia for all the work I do, everyone who writes on my talk is usually unhappy, but you are different, I will also help you in writing your first article, if you have any questions, put it on my talk page. Thanks! PBASH607 (The One Day Apocalypse) (talk) 12:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome!

Welcome to Wikipedia, Rachida10z! Thank you for your contributions. I am PBASH607 and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Galen Starr Ross

When I left the copypaste note on the article, I was not referring to the photo, but the text.. Please see WP:CPP. You seem to have copied or very closely paraphrase large amounts of this article from the sources, and made judgements that amount to original research, not maintaining a neutral point of view. The material you used as a source from U Iowa archives, was originally written as a advertisement for him as a speaker, and the tributes to him there are not RSs. They're included in their archives, of course, and can serve as a source for someone doing research on him, but we can't directly use it. (see WP:PRIMARY and the rest of WP:RS) We write biographies , not tributes. We report on the research others have done, we don't do it. It's a potentially good article, but it needs rewriting in your own words and a neutral tone. I removed the quotation section at the bottom, which really don't belong here. If he was famous enough to justify it, wikiquotes would be the place, but I don't think he's that widely known. DGG ( talk ) 05:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But as for the photo, the problem is that the photograph if taken after 1923 is almost certainly copyright to the photographer. That U Iowa Archives owns the photograph, does not been they have reproduction rights to it. And if they do have the rights, that doesn't mean they are willing to donate under a free license. The same goes if you use a copy of the photo from anywhere. Please see WP:COPYRIGHT for an explanation. We have rules that might permit using the photograph as non-free content, since he is not alive and a free photograph is unavailable--the rules are complicated. See WP:NFCC for a discussion.

I will try to help you with this. When you've done some rewriting, ask me to take a look at it. As reviewing administrator, I could have deleted the article or listed it for deletion, but I didn't, because I think it can be rescued--and the article was not an unambiguous total copyvio. DGG ( talk ) 05:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

the problem remains the use of primary sources. Primary sources require interpretation by the biographer or historian, and therefore we can no use them here except in a limited way, or what you do will be original research,. . You can not source any attribute of notability or of being well known or of being an expert or anything that involves a judgment to refs 1, 2,3, and any similar material. They are copies of the information in ref 1, which is a publicity brochure he prepared for himself or his lecture agency prepared for him, as the image in no.1 shows clearly. These are a non-independent primary source, and can be used only for the utterly routine facts of his life: when he was born , where he went to school, what positions he held. You cannot use the tributes from other people there either--he collected them himself for his publicity. You can only use what other people publish, in a reliable independent publication, such as a newspaper. You can use ref 29 only if the ed. published it. That really leaves only ref 21 as a source for evaluating him, (and possibly no.28 which I cannot see, if the material is substantial) The other newspaper mentions are just that he gave a talk. Even so , these are local newspapers, and the tone of no. 21 is such that I would not put much faith in its objectivity--the way you used it was OK, but as you can tell it requires an understanding of the politicl and social situation of the times, and the significance of his actual political and social views. .

Please try to understand the principle of WP:OR. All of what you have written is good local history research, though it would probably be better if you took external sources and context into account. (There ought to be sources for his college presidency, for example) . But it's original research.

It is therefore very difficult to do any sort of bio except a short severely factual one,if no previous writer has done so. I think with what you have there is perhaps material for two or three short paragraphs. DGG ( talk ) 18:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]