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List of Solar System probes#Proposed

Hi, I have a comment for your recent edit at List of Solar System probes#Proposed regarding listing the probes in the order of their launches. The page generally lists the spacecrafts chronologically by the order of their visits to the respective celestial body, instead of when they are launched. Take Rosetta vs Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for an example. While the former was launched earlier (in 2004), it flew by Mars in 2007, so is listed after MRO which arrived in 2006. Now, as covered in WP:CRYSTALBALL, any future event must be treated with caution. Alphabetical order is used in places like Template:Future spaceflights which lists all planned spacecrafts indiscriminately, as LEO satellites are prone to delays, some times by the months. For List of Solar System probes, as the spacecrafts concerned are mostly planetary probes, their launch can be narrowed down physically due to orbital mechanics. Furthermore, the list in the page is separated by the celestial bodies, so they aren't listed 'Earth-centric', but from the celestial body's perspective. For planets like Venus, which is prone to visits by the same probe multiple times, a listing based on the probe's launch dates can be quite confusing. So for practical reasons, the probes in the page are listed by the order of their arrival dates. Kind regards, Hms1103 (talk) 23:20, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Countries GDP Nominal

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You have arbitrarily decided that West Bank and Gaza be denumbered even though this territory is the same as Palestine and the alternative would have been to number Palestine which is a UN recognized state whose level recognition is not dissimilar to the level of recognition of Israel. In fact both of these countries are included in the list of states with limited recognition. Your edit is therefore NPOV, fails to address the talk page discussion of the issue or the article tags relating to it and may therefore be considered disruptive, in particularyour declining to continue the existing talk page discussion. Thank you for your attention.Selfstudier (talk) 21:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't mind, I will copy the subsequent convo from my page to here as it is customary to continue a convo where it is begun.Selfstudier (talk) 09:54, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Response to your message to Spotty's Friend on 15 September, 2020

Dear Selfstudier, your rather curt message to me just makes no sense. Most of my edit was regarding non-controversial entities: Puerto Rico, Macau, Albania, Cuba, Tajikistan, and Uruguay. Even regarding Kosovo there's little dispute. I understand you've been having a rather heated disagreement with respect to Palestine/West Bank-Gaza with other editors, but the situation was that one column (World Bank) gave a rank to West Bank + Gaza but the other two columns (IMF and UN) did not, meanwile no rank was given to Albania; this is rather bonkers. I think regardless of whether there's consensus on the status of West Bank + Gaza with regard to the List of nominal GDP, at the very least the three exisiting columns should treat all eneities the same. If you feel strongly that the existing Wrold Bank column should contiue to assign West Bank + Gaza a number rank (while the other two columns do not) you'd get no argument from me, but you should leave all the other state entities' ranks (or non-ranks) as is; in other words, Albania, Cuba, Tajikistan, and Uruguay should have number ranks while Puerto Rico, Macau, and Kosovo should not.

cheers, Spotty's Friend (talk) 04:04, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Spotty's Friend: My particular interest is West Bank Gaza (Palestine). You said that you agreed with my position so I would prefer it if you would return the numbering there, it's not a question if I feel strongly about it, it is WP consensus, see eg List of countries and dependencies by population where Palestine is numbered and correctly treated in accordance with the existing WP consensus that Palestine is a sovereign state (it's also in List of Sovereign states. The problem with this particular page and a few others is that one editor is determined to try and impose his view that Palestine is not a state and without getting a consensus for his position and you appear to have taken the same position whether you intended to or not.Selfstudier (talk) 09:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Restoring Status Quo

To save you the trouble and since you are in agreement, I have restored the status quo re West Bank Gaza/Palestine. Selfstudier (talk) 10:15, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. Please check the talk page of the referenced PNG file.

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Improvements to Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment

Hi. I have been working lately on creating articles related to Chinese technology companies and I see you have created the article Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment. Although the article is almost 3 months old, it has still not been marked as reviewed. I have sent it to John B123 who is one of our most experienced new page reviewers. He has the following comment:

"Having a quick look at the article, a lot is referenced to SMEE's website, I'm not sure that Toms Hardware would be considered a reliable source as some of their content is in 'collaboration' with their advertisers. The article needs more independent source. The list of products taken from the company's website seems unnecessary."

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Hi Imcdc. Thanks for you and your colleague's input. I agree that the list of products on the SMEE page is a bit unsightly and smacks of an advertising brochure; when I added it I was tired and just wanted to get something regarding their product lineup onto the page, and meant to get back to it later...then laziness overtook me. I'll try to edit this section into a shorter, more concise, and general description of SMEE's products, soon.

Regarding more independent sources, I really have little access to Chinese sources; as you know, the US efforts at curtailing Chinese tech developments has driven the Chinese tech community to a much greater level of reticence than before and so it's a bit hard to find public sources on recent developments, other than in the occasional US news reports with their attendant political slant. The business analysis note that you added as a source is good; if you have more such sources please add them to this page. In addition, I think in this case the Tom's Hardware articles (three different articles by the same author) should be OK since it's fairly unlikely that SMEE or any other Chinese entities associated with them has any monetary relationship with the website or the author, nor is there any likely motive on the part of SMEE to promote itself in the US media given the existing political climate. The question of whether the publisher Tom's Hardware constitutes a 'reliable source' per se does not appear to me to be directly relevant to whether the three articles should be cited in the SMEE Wiki, especially since the 'reliable source' moniker itself has been rendered a bit amorphous, in my opinion, since even sources which have long been considered by the general public to be 'reliable', such as WaPo, the Grey Lady, BBC etc. appear to publish material with questionable provenance on occasions; sign of the times. Cheers Spotty's Friend (talk) 06:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, Spotty's Friend, when you added your comments to Talk:Kamala Harris § Errata: her law school was renamed in 2023, you placed your comment within my remarks, which separated them. I wish to remind you that this was a violation of the WP:INTERPOLATE behavioral guideline & ask that you be more careful about this in the future.

I appreciate the information that you had to convey but did not appreciate having to refactor your comments to keep mine intact. Peaceray (talk) 17:19, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

well OK. read it pretty fast, thought those were two separate comments, one from an anonymous person and one from you; a failure due to my lack of care in reading and urge to do a quick reply; sorry 'bout that (nevertheless the sentiments expressed in my comment stand). Spotty's Friend (talk) 19:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]