User talk:Thecrystalcicero

Hi there, You seem to be starting a number of articles about NZ supreme Court cases, but without including any references for them. Please read WP:Notable, WP:RS and WP:CITE. In a nutshell, linking to the Court's own public documentation of the case is useful but not sufficient to establish notability. It is best if you can reference third-party discussion about the cases (e.g. legal journals). As you obviously have reference material available, it is much easier for you to provide references than for other editors to have to go and search things out. As they stand, the articles are vulnerable to being nominated for deletion. Cheers, dramatic (talk) 23:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

ANZ Cup Standings

Hey, just corrected it to remove the eliminated designation from Otago. If they beat Wellington with a bonus point, they will finish at 22. If Northland also beats Auckland and neither scores a bonus point, then all 3 will be at 22. Tasman, should they win with fewer than 4 tries, could make it four teams tied for the last spot. So Otago retains faint hope, needing a 5 point win over Wellington, Northland to beat Auckland in a bonus-less game and Tasman to get fewer than 5 points. At least two of those requirements are realistic.Alanmjohnson (talk) 08:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

So what happens if Otago finishes level Northland and Auckland, and has a margin this weekend that is 16 points better than Northland's, thus making them tied on points difference as well? Does Otago win the tie-breaker based on beating Northland in Week 3, or for having fewer defeats (4-1-5 is better than 4-6 in my book, even if Northland would have had more bonus points)? And then what to do with Tasman, should they also finish with 22 and win by two more than Otago does? That would require a winning margin of at least 26 points, which is pretty tough to achieve without any bonus points.

I guess it's a long way of asking what the second-level tie breaker is. Any idea?Alanmjohnson (talk) 17:28, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for finding that. It probably will be a moot point, but it's interesting how things can be decided. I generally favor head-to-head results, as I think it's the most fair, but it can be problematic when multiple teams are tied in a competition where not all of the tied teams have necessarily played each other. In RWC 1999, the first tie-breaker was actually points scored, which I think is asinine (as was much of that tournament in general) as it would have favored a 50-49 victory over a 49-0 victory.

What do you think of the way that competition points from the first round of the Heartland are carried into the 2nd. I think that for teams in the Meads Cup, their first round results against Lochore Cup teams shouldn't count (and vice versa), though their first round results against other Meads Cup teams should. That would give each team in the Meads and Lochore Cup the same opponents, and no one would get the advantage of being drawn in the same pool of East Coast instead of South Cant.Alanmjohnson (talk) 06:40, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Well it's all over now. Speaking of tie-breakers...while I still believe that head-to-head should take priority, I'd like bonus points (or lack thereof) to play a role in cases where teams haven't met (like Otago, Auckland, Northland). Leaving aside that Northland beat Auckland (let's pretend for a moment that they didn't play each other) it seems very wrong that a 4-6 team should be ranked higher than a 5-5 team just because they met other fairly arbitrary criteria such as number of tries scored or not losing by a given number of points. It sort of devalues actually winning a match, which is a real shame.

I've never heard Wanganui called the "Ringies" before, nor Mid Cant the Mighties or West Coast the Smuties. What do those names mean?Alanmjohnson (talk) 00:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Rundle Cup

Please give references or sources for your article.

--  Chzz  ►  09:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

done Thecrystalcicero (talk) 10:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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