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Million Award

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For your contributions to bring American football (estimated annual readership: 1,289,000) to Good Article status, I hereby present you the Million Award. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Wikipedia's readers. -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:15, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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Wow, thanks! Really appreciate it. :) Toa Nidhiki05 15:45, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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Congratulations

Hey. Congratulations on getting the Panther's article to FA. It's always tough getting an article to FA, but your perseverance and hard work has paid off! -- Shudde talk 05:02, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - I wouldn't have been able to do it without the solid reviews that you and others provided. :) Toa Nidhiki05 22:47, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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Football

So I wasn't sure where to go with this, the talk page for "current NFL head coaches" isn't very active, so rather then posting there and waiting forever for someone else's opinion, I went to the NFL Talk page and saw you had responded to a few edit requests, so that brings me here to get your opinion. As a big NFL fan, I wanted to find out what current NFL head coaches had won a Super Bowl, not just as a head coach, I already know all those, I wanted to know what coaches have won at any coaching position, defensive coordinator, QB coach and so on. There is a page of current NFL head coaches that lists what coach has won a Super Bowl with their current team, but no list that I was looking for. Do you think it would be a better idea to start a new page altogether making a list of what current coaches have won a Super Bowl at any coaching position, or just add these accomplishments to the current NFL head coaches page? The only reason I was thinking it might be better to start a new page is because looking at the current NFL head coaches page, it is categorized by team, so it doesn't really make sense to me to put that Mike Shanahan won a Super Bowl as offensive coordinator with San Francisco when he and his accomplishments with Washington are listed under Washington. Again, didn't know where to go with this so I'm bugging you. Thanks!Zdawg1029 (talk) 02:34, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I'm more than happy to answer questions. In my opinion, it would be best to start a new page, or you could alternatively just put make a cited note after each coach saying they won a Super Bowl outside their current role (like Mike Shanahan's Super Bowl wins with San Francisco and Denver). It might be best to modify the template to specify that coaching record, winning percentage, and accomplishments to make it more clear that accomplishments are in the context of the coach's current team, not their career achievements as a whole. :) Toa Nidhiki05 02:48, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. I just realized that maybe it would be a good idea if I got all the stats together first. If it is enough information, maybe it would be worth starting a new page, but if it isn't that much it probably would be better just to make the notes like you suggested. I didn't even think about those with this idea. Alright let me dig everything up and I'll likely get back to you for some more help with this. I thought it was worth mentioning that information in one collective place on here though, it's interesting information in my opinion.Zdawg1029 (talk) 02:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Alright, good idea. I'll be going to bed here in a bit (it's 10:59 pm where I live right now), but I'll certainly be able to respond more in the morning. Toa Nidhiki05 02:59, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
So I went through and compiled the list, it is longer than I would have guessed. I looked at every coach just in case, even the ones I didn't think had won any. I was surprised by a few things. I put the table on My Talk Page (at the bottom) just so I don't clutter yours up. Keep in mind this would not be the final format for it, this was just quick and easy. So 18 of the total 32 active coaches have won at least one Super Bowl as either a player or a coach, while the other 14 haven't won any. There are 32 Super Bowl wins among the 32 active coaches and only 9 of those 32 Super Bowl wins are the coach with their current team. And unless my eyes are deceiving me, I am fairly certain I didn't miss anything. I think it is enough information to warrant a new page. Thoughts? —Preceding undated comment added 04:28, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Looks pretty good to me. Obviously the template needs to be improved, but that aside there is enough there to warrant a page IMO. Toa Nidhiki05 14:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm working on creating the page right now. The most annoying part are the sources. Do I really have to source stuff like this? And can't I just source it to either the coaches own Wiki page or the Wiki page for the team's season that year? I know you're not supposed to use Wiki articles as your source, but this content isn't really debatable, it's all fact.Zdawg1029 (talk) 18:28, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Technically, yes, they would be needed. It would take a while but I could help you out in that regard if you need to, because this great website called Pro Football Reference has pages for all head coaches, and includes a list of each coaching position they have held. I would bet that just citing the PFR page after each coach would be enough to satisfy referencing criteria. Toa Nidhiki05 20:59, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Ha I actually found that website before I saw your post here and used it for all the references. It actually made for pretty quick work because they do have where each coach was for each year. So I did the annoying part of putting the table together complete with links and everything, you can see it here, hopefully. I'm not that great at figuring out how to position everything, it could probably use a couple pictures or other random things. Let me know if you have any suggestions, and if you can edit and have time to or want to, then by all means go for it.Zdawg1029 (talk) 00:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Great work so far! I'll be looking for images to add and the like. :) Toa Nidhiki05 02:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Definitely let me know if you find some images that would be good for it.Zdawg1029 (talk) 02:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team/archive1

I see you are a sports fan based on your FAC nom. Would you consider commenting at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:27, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure, no prob. I'll have comments up in a bit. Toa Nidhiki05 22:42, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

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2011 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final FAC review

Thank you for taking the time to read the article and make suggestions. I've followed up on everything you've mentioned so far on the review page and look forward to addressing more as you have time to continue reading. Thanks again. --SkotyWATC 15:39, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I've followed up on the remaining items you found. Your time and attention already spent on this FAC review are much appreciated. Thank you! --SkotyWATC 21:38, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

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In 30 days, we will know the identity of our 2013 WikiCup champion. Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions) currently leads; if that lead is held, she will become the first person to have won the WikiCup twice. Canada Sasata (submissions), Australia Hawkeye7 (submissions)—who has never participated in the competition before—and New South Wales Casliber (submissions) follow. The majority of points in this round have come from a mix of good articles and bonus points. This final round is seeing contributions to a number of highly important topics; recent submissions include Phoenix (constellation) (FA by Casliber), Ernest Lawrence (GA by Hawkeye7), Pinniped, and red fox (both GAs by Sasata).

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1924 Rose Bowl

Hello Toa Nidhiki05,

Thank you for taking the time to review my article, 1924 Rose Bowl. I have attempted to address all of your concerns at the nom page. If you find any other issues, or if I have not properly addressed one of your concerns, I'll be glad to fix them. Thanks again, - Awardgive. Help out with Project Fillmore County 03:33, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories

Toa: You have deleted my word "soley" in the first sentence of the article referenced above and removed my footnote giving the wording of the "Scientists for 911 Truth" petition. The article is about someone else's theories, and in honesty, I think you should allow them to state their theories the way they want to. You can use the rest of the article to mischaracterize and dismiss them, but at least allow them first to state their subject in their own words. Otherwise, you are knocking down a 'straw man' of your own fabrication. Though you might find that amusing, and even patriotic, it degrades Wikipedia as a platform for sharing verifiable information. (Critical thinkers of course know that Wikipedia is only a starting point for exploring issues as complex as this one.) The problem with the dinosaurs is they weren't very good at learning.

    • I would prefer that you be the one to UNDO your deletion. Thank you.

Bruce Maxwell, Architect Oakland, CA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stickler4accuracy2 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

First off, 'Scientists for 9/11 Truth' is not a reliable source. Second, you didn't just add 'soley' - you removed that they are 'conspiracy theories', which they are. This website is not a truther blog, and it is not going to be lowered to that level. Toa Nidhiki05 22:25, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 October newsletter

The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions). Our final nine were as follows:

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WikiCup award

In recognition of your participation in the 2013 Wikipedia:WikiCup, in which you reached round 2. J Milburn (talk · contribs) and The ed17 (talk · contribs) 13:08, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

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For your help reviewing and suggesting improvements to 2011 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final on it's way to becoming a featured article. Thank you!. SkotyWATC 17:36, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! If you ever need a review on another article, feel free to ask me to do so. :) Toa Nidhiki05 02:08, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey Toa, I'm still working on getting the next section of language for the Health issues in American football article prepped for you to take a look at, but I'm wondering if you might be willing to help me out with another thing real quick. I recently drafted an article for George Atallah, the NFLPA's assistant executive director of external affairs. The article went through articles for creation and was taken live today. However, as you can see, the article is currently an orphan since it's so new. What would you think about adding George's name in the infobox on the National Football League Players Association article under "Important people", to start integrating the article into Wikipedia? Are there any other articles you can think of that should point to the one about George? Cheers! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 18:23, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure, no problem! I don't have my computer me at the moment, but I can go ahead and add him there. I'm not sure of any other articles that could lead to it though. Toa Nidhiki05 20:24, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks so much! I'll keep trying to think of other places that might make sense to link the article from. Cheers, ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 17:03, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Hey Toa, thanks again for this! I just noticed that Atallah's article still has the orphan flag—could you remove that now that the link from NFLPA exists? Also, I'm almost done with the next round of suggestions for Health issues—should have those up either later today or tomorrow. Cheers! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 20:13, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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I had thought that rule applied to the same article being nominated twice. Hm. Removing for now. Toa Nidhiki05 17:52, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
It might be a bit confusing. They don't usually mind but I thought I'd let you know. I'm actually looking forward to seeing what you've done with that article. --Laser brain (talk) 17:56, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm considering requesting an exemption but I think I had too much discussion on my last one to do that. As soon as those two weeks expire though I'm definitely re-nominating. Toa Nidhiki05 18:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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List of NFL tied games

What I added to the tied games article is relevant to the article and is sourced directly from the Pro Football Hall of Fame. PLEASE do not revert it again. Thanks! Jgera5 (talk) 17:18, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

The purpose of a lede is to summarize, not to throw in random facts that aren't mentioned anywhere else in the article. The number of times a team has tied is not anywhere in this article, with the exception of the last two sections, and there is no full list of them. As a side, it is very poor etiquette here to revert someone without explaining why in the edit summary, as you have now done twice. I would very much encourage you to stop doing that, as it leaves the other person with no clue as to why they have been reverted. Toa Nidhiki05 17:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Ummm...I DON'T THINK I NEED TO EXPLAIN MYSELF IF WHAT IS BEING ADDED IS RELEVANT TO THE ARTICLE AND IS WELL SOURCED. You're clearly inexperienced on Wikipedia. I'm done editing on the page for right now, because clearly there isn't a consensus on the subject. Jgera5 (talk) 18:06, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
If you are going to insult me at least give an insult that makes sense. Toa Nidhiki05 18:12, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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1924 Rose Bowl

Well, the 1924 Rose Bowl is back at FAC for the third time. Since you supported last time, I was wondering if you would come back and look at the article again (nom). Thanks, - Awardgive. Help out with Project Fillmore County 20:57, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Sure, not a problem! I'll have my comments up in a bit. :) Toa Nidhiki05 00:36, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

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List of states and territories of the United States

Hi, I noticed you reverted my edit to add some paragraph breaks to the extremely long opening paragraph of this article. Shouldn't readability trump everything else?Mike Alfa Xray (talk) 19:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Readability is important but there is a rule here that basically says ledes should not be longer than four-paragraphs, and even those should be reserved for very long articles. You're edit changed it to six, which is far too large. This is important because this article is a featured list, meaning it is among the best lists on Wikipedia and it needs to follow the rules to remain at that level. Toa Nidhiki05 20:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of The Christmas Sessions

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Carolina Panthers

Hello Toa,

I respect your commitment to fighting against the vandalism of wiki pages and would like to discuss your edit to the Carolina Panthers article. Regarding the statement that the Panthers fans are often outnumbered, I contend that the source is not reliable. Although it bears the name of "Sports Illustrated," it was written anonymously, in 2007, when Vinny Testaverde was the Panthers quarterback. I have been going to Panthers games since they started playing in Charlotte and have never seen a game where the attendees consisted of greater than 50% opposing fans. It would be one thing to say that opposing fans have outnumbered the Panthers, but to use the "often" qualifier before indicates that this article is bogus and possibly written by someone who has never been to a home game.


If you would like to accurately describe the Panthers culture, then maybe try finding something written in the last 5 years whose author is willing to be associated with it. If you are a Panthers fan, why would you want to include a patently false sentence like the one I deleted? Have you been to a home game before? I would like to hear why you think the sentence I deleted should be included in the culture section and will leave this alone if you can substantively show me that Panthers fans are often outnumbered at home by opposing fans.FuzzyDunlop53 (talk) 06:19, 9 January 2014 (UTC)FuzzyDunlop53

If you have any doubts about whether or not I am a fan please consider that I pulled the article to FA status - the only NFL club with that rating. But regardless of that, I see your point on the source and have modified it to more accurately describe what it says. The problem here is I cannot go by what people say, I have to go by what sources say because material must be verified - and a very reliable source (Sports Illustrated) suggests otherwise. Being a fan can't overpower what is accurate or not. Toa Nidhiki05 17:44, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 08 January 2014

FA question

Hi Toa Nidhiki05,

I'm Sportsguy17. I am active in NFL and MLB articles. I am currently trying to get two GAs to FA status (Major League Baseball and National Football League) and one former FA (New England Patriots). I've helped articles to GA status (Major League Baseball is one). Can you give me some tips on how to take it to FA status, something I've never done before. I was sent here by Go Phightins!, since you helped promote Carolina Panthers to FA status, and maybe you can give me advice. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 02:50, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, my first tip would be to compare to other featured articles. I was the major contributor to getting the NFL article to GA status, and based it for the most part on the Premier League article (with the exception of a controversies section, which is discouraged in most articles). Similarly, I based the Panthers article on New York Jets and Kansas City Chiefs - the two other team articles at GA status. For the most part you can learn good formatting, especially what material is generally needed for a comprehensive article. For the New England Patriots article, I would suggest using the Panthers article as a rough template - don't copy all the sections or rely entirely on it, but seeing as it is a very recent attempt that was lucky enough to get through on one try, it's good to see what would be needed.
For the NFL and MLB articles, I'd be glad to help out. I'm not that knowledgeable about baseball but for the NFL article my major suggestions for content would be to add a section on labor (mainly, the relation between the league and labor disputes with the NFLPA and referee's association). Once that's out of the way I think it could get a shot at FA. For the MLB, I'd suggest adding two new sections at a minimum:
*A section on organizational awards and trophies(ie. the World Series trophy and league trophies/pennants) as well as individual awards. Articles on them are very well-kept and could easily be mined for information.
*Free agency, drafting, and the minor league system. This is the biggest omission from the article and I'm surprised it became a good article without it.
*A section on labor relations with the MLBPA and umpire's associations would probably be warranted due to the high-profile incidents that have happened in relations to them.
Additionally, you might find peer review an invaluable process - assuming you can get people to review it, you can save the trouble of going through a failed FA nomination while weeding out most of the major issues. Toa Nidhiki05 03:19, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured topics/Casting Crowns studio albums

Hi there. I noticed that you were the one who nominated the Casting Crowns topic, as well as getting the articles to their respective statuses. I noticed that the article Thrive (Casting Crowns album) was created recently and since its a studio album and its coming out soon, a grace period has been set up for it. It goes on for three months after the date the album was released (January 28th the page says) so you'll have plenty of time to get it to at least GA status. Thank you for reading this. GamerPro64 19:44, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for the notification. It wasn't aware the grace period was so long! I'll be sure to have everything fixed up by then. Toa Nidhiki05 19:46, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for List of National Football League season receiving yards leaders

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The Signpost: 15 January 2014

Number of Democratic and Republican Governors

Why did you revert my January 11 change of the number of Republican and Democratic governors from 30 and 20 to 29 and 21, respectively? Terry McAuliffe (D-VA) was sworn in on that day, replacing Bob McDonnell (R-VA), decreasing the number of Republicans from 30 to 29 and increasing the number of Democrats from 20 to 21. The reversions now make the pages reflect the pre-11th party division instead of the post-11th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingOfTheLiberal (talk • contribs) 00:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

My apologies, I didn't realize McAuliffe had been sworn in than. I had looked to verify your number on the map of governors and that was not what it showed so I removed it. Clearly the map hadn't been edited yet so my bad. Toa Nidhiki05 01:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

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