User talk:Waskoma

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Unsolicited advise

Waskoma- I don't mean to be malicious about bringing this up, so I apologize if it comes across as such. I just thought some advise would help smooth things over. Though you disagree with the discussion at Talk:Atari 8-bit family, I feel it's safe to say most would call Collins' article an analysis. The fact you've been so adamant about this trivial detail has been a driving point of the ongoing discussion. It's only a single word, and there is no need to be argumentative or so aggressive about it. If that was not your intention, I apologize for misinterpreting it, but that's how it came across to me and I'm sure to others by the look of the talk page.

I hope you can let this wording go. I think you've already accomplished something positive by bringing up the NPOV issue, which will lead to a "Reception" section being created. Let Marty and some other editors try to create a suitable reception section. Let's see what they can do with it and if it portrays the Atari system appropriately. But with this discussion going in circles with no end in sight, that may not be possible. We've already helped steer this article in a positive direction, wouldn't efforts now be of better use on other matters? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 18:54, 2 November 2009 (UTC))[reply]

I have explained openly my motifs and toughts on the talk page. What's happening is I am trying to neutralize a sentence. Why do you think we shouldnt do this? Our goal is to make the article better. If we can do that by changing one word, and this is in harmony with WP rules and guidelines as I have shown, then we should. Calling a text an analysis which refers to itself as an article is doing WP:OR, and POV, and is presenting information which is not directly supported by the source.--Waskoma (talk) 20:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My goals at the moment have nothing to do with the article. I'm only trying to help two opposing parties reach a resolution. Something I think is worth mentioning is that Marty and I don't think the word "analysis" lacks neutrality. This more a difference of opinion rather than a fight for a neutral point of view. I can't help but feel this whole matter could have been condensed if that fact was taken into account early on by both sides.

If you feel the matter is important enough to dedicate the time to, you are welcome to continue, just as Marty and Badger welcome to as well. The issue can continue going in circles indefinitely, or you can try to work together. That's something I suggest you may want to evaluate as you're on here. Is it worth the time and effort to fight every time there's a difference of opinion? Or would some concessions here and there help more positive things get done? Such situations happens to everyone (Miyamoto picture example and Marble Madness example). And if you plan on editing regularly on Wikipedia, it is best to have good working relationships with your fellow editors.

I've done about all I can in this situation. If you think the matter deserves more attention and a wider audience, I suggest posting something at WT:VG to get more view points on the matter. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 20:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC))[reply]