User talk:Wmwmurray

A belated welcome!

Here's wishing you a belated welcome to Wikipedia, Wmwmurray. I see that you've already been around a while and wanted to thank you for your contributions. Though you seem to have been successful in finding your way around, you may benefit from following some of the links below, which help editors get the most out of Wikipedia:

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Again, welcome! Doug Weller talk 10:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

August 2019

Hello, I'm ElKevbo. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. ElKevbo (talk) 03:13, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Bastyr University, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Doug Weller talk 10:39, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Important Notice

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in complementary and alternative medicine. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

Doug Weller talk 10:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine (August 30)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by John from Idegon was:

This submission reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{db-self}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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John from Idegon (talk) 21:00, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Wmwmurray! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! John from Idegon (talk) 21:00, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine. Thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 21:01, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright warning

Your addition to Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information.

Wikipedia articles must be written in our own words, not copy-pasted from the source.

On a related not, I'm concerned that Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine would be a duplicate of Bastyr University. How do you envision these articles co-existing, since they seem to cover the same topic? –dlthewave ☎ 04:11, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine (August 31)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by John from Idegon was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{db-self}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

John from Idegon (talk) 04:34, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine. Thanks! John from Idegon (talk) 04:38, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your email reads as though it might be a threat, although a pretty poor one

No Threat -- Only Pointing out Conflict of Interest and Defamation Potential Issues that need Legal Review. Are you a member of the AMA or have you taken money from an AMA Member?

You wrote "The US Government of which I have worked for for many many years in the capacity as a bio-medical engineering contractor would like to see any medical profession credentials/education that would give you legal professional standing in medicine to remove information and links to the National Institute of Health, Mayo Clinic, Licensed Professionals on WebMD, and others that I added to the page on Bastyr University. NIH is peer reviewed medical science from the second largest research institute on medicine in the world. Mayo Clinic is in many surveys the best teaching hospital in the world. WebMD is in many surveys the best website for layman's peer reviewed medical information in the world."

How am I expected to take this seriously? The US Government really wants me to contact them? No editor needs "legal professional standing" to edit any article. You don't appear to be interested in finding out about our policies and guidielines, which shows in your draft which is nowhere near what we expect for an article. Doug Weller talk 08:16, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

^^You and others have Deliberately Filled the Bastyr University article with Links that are of a very Defamatory and Un-professional tone, from organizations such as "Quack Watch" which is run by a "Retired Psychiatrist" -- I would like to point out that "Psychiatry" as a profession has no scientific tests to test for mental illness -- There is no blood test that "Psychiatry" uses in diagnosing someone with any Disease. The Ft. Hood Mass Shooter was even a "Psychiatrist" who prior to the shootings "Diagnosed" hundreds of Soldiers out of VA Benefits, GI Bill Benefits, and Civilian Employment Illegally. "Psychiatric Diagnosis" is not considered medical FACT in civilian legal proceedings until a Judge and Jury make this legal determination.

PERMANENT INJUNCTION ORDER AGAINST AMA (Regarding Defamation of Chiropractic and Naturopathic Practice) Susan Getzendanner JAMA. 1988;259(1):81-82. doi:10.1001/jama.1988.03720010059044 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/370078

For the Bastyr article, I would recommend a review board that included retired PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIANS (DO, MD), CHIROPRACTORS, NURSE PRACTITIONERS, PA's, NATUROPATHS and others Related to Primary Care

As I said, you haven't yet begun to understand how we work. It's pointless making such requests, that's not how we work. Doug Weller talk 19:18, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If there is a court injunction that is somehow binding on Wikipedia itself, that should be communicated to the Wikimedia Foundation Legal department, using the appropriate address listed here. The same goes for any content alleged to be libelous(see WP:LIBEL). Wikipedia does not have 'review boards' of professionals for articles; nor is Wikipedia for giving medical advice. 331dot (talk) 19:56, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have notified your legal department, and bastyr's legal department of the issues. I am disputing that this page has a neutral point of view. as I have personally helped train more than 6 residents in MD, and DO programs, and issues like you cite here are common to every AMA residency program I have participated in. Yes I have nearly died or died and been brought back to life so many times doing this type of work I cannot recall. The thing I would tell you is very few of these people including those you mention at Bastyr have done anything that meet's any definition of "Quack"

Your submission at Articles for creation: Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine (August 31)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by John from Idegon was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.

John from Idegon (talk) 08:51, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MfD nomination of Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine

Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Draft:Bastyr College of Naturopathic Medicine during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. –dlthewave ☎ 18:35, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

September 2019

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action.

You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:19, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You must unambiguously and irrevocably withdraw the legal threats you made at the Teahouse in order to continue editing Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:21, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Wmwmurray (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I did not make a threat, I am not a plaintiff in any action against Wikipedia, I submitted the information about an Existing Legal Injunction Against the AMA for Wikipedia's Own Legal Department To Review to Determine if AMA members who were referenced in a page are involved the content in violation of the Injunction against the AMA. If this review determines that there is no violation I will remove the content I also notified the affected parties (AMA, Bastyr University Wmwmurray (talk) 03:44, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Our policy of no legal threats is broad. It has several purposes, but the basic intent is to prevent editors from creating a chilling effect upon other editors by direct or indirect threats or warnings of legal action. "I will sue you so you better change this article" and "somebody will sue you because of this article" are no different in this regard. If you have legal concerns about something on Wikipedia, address these concerns to the Wikimedia Foundation; the volunteers here are in no position to act upon your concerns. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 04:58, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

In my opinion, you made a legal threat intended to intimidate and chill other Wikipedia editors. Perhaps another administrator will disagree with me. As the blocking administrator, I will leave it to another administrator to review the block.

You are entirely free to pursue your legal threats and/or legal action off-Wikipedia. But you cannot edit Wikipedia, in my judgment, while your threats here stand. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:54, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Based on this diff (I have notified your legal department... and comments about an Existing Legal Injunction), I have revoked talk page access per WP:NLT. Hopefully you're able to resolve whatever is going on with WMF legal. Regards, ST47 (talk) 04:59, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked temporarily from editing for abuse of editing privileges. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been revoked.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then submit a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System.

-- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]