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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Laser brain via FACBot (talk) 29 October 2020 [1].


Nominator(s): Kosack (talk), The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 20:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another step towards that elusive featured topic, for the world's richest association football (soccer) match. This is a joint nomination, most of the hard work was done by Kosack and I tagged along for the ride to hopefully get it up to snuff for FAC. A ding-dong of a game, at least in the first half, and "little old" Blackpool's zenith of glory for 40 years. Both nominators will work tirelessly to assuage reviewers' concerns, as ever, and thanks in advance for all the time and effort everyone puts into the review. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 20:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This nomination may be used in the WikiCup competition. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 13:07, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Image review

Images appear to be freely licensed, the only issue is that File:Blackpool vs Cardiff 2010-05-22.svg should indicate the source for the players' positions in the image description. (t · c) buidhe 01:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: Thanks for taking a look so quick. I can provide sources for the image, but where is best to place them? When you say in the image description, do you mean on the page itself or over at Commons where the image is hosted? Kosack (talk) 08:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The image description on Commons. (t · c) buidhe 20:01, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added. Kosack (talk) 22:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Amakuru

  • Route to the final:
  • Background:
    • Giving the locations where the officials hail form seems a bit overkill to me, and other than Mike Jones I'm not sure the localities are even sourced. And it's unclear why the link to Birmingham County Football Association says for Marriner "West Midlands". I guess either remove them (my preference), or else source them and give the correct names for the affiliated county.
      I'm not sure I agree on removing the affiliations as the locations are who the referees are representing rather than just localities. I've added refs for the assistant locations and amended Marriner to Birmingham. I'm not sure of the reason but Marriner is listed as West Midlands in quite a few match reports I can find rather than Birmingham. However, the Premier League website that I added does list him as Birmingham. Kosack (talk) 06:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nothing else really in this section. It seems slightly short, but I guess everything else that might go there is covered elsewhere...
  • Pre-match:
    • And actually, following on from the comment above this one, I'm slightly confused now. Because most of this section up to around "when his Queens Park Rangers side lost in extra-time" sounds like "Background" to me. Other than the thing about the anthem, which is pre-match, the detail on previous matches at Wembley and the £5 million reward for being promoted refer to things tha thappened at the start of the season or earlier, which while technically "pre-match" isn't what is usually meant by that term. Maybe just rejig a bit so those bits are in "Background", then you'll probably have two sections of roughly equal length?
      I've reordered the sections to hopefully even this up. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Promotion" is first mentioned in the "Route to the final" section, so probably link it there rather than here.
      Done. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • "£90 million for winning the match and the subsequent promotion to the Premier League" - my understanding is that this isn't money directly earned by the promotion, but perhaps a combination of that and increased TV money etc, which is described at 1993 Football League First Division play-off Final as "increases in matchday, commercial and broadcasting income". Might be worth clarifying this here.
      Done. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ref 27: Probably not a controversial fact, but the Daily Express shouldn't really be used for sourcing per WP:RSP#Daily Express. The main point, that the anthem was not played, is covered by the Telegraph ref [28], although I suppose the point about "antagonising Cardiff's fans" is not directly covered there...
      Removed the Express and the brief part it covered. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • "set to be shared among the players" - you could lose the "set" here, we already know the pay-out was conditional.
      Done. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • "commenting "if anyone deserves it..." - maybe "commenting that"?
      Done. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • "extra-time": other places in the article say "extra time". Make consistent.
      Done. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Cardiff kept their team hotel location secret in order to avoid any attempts of a retaliation attempt by fans of Queens Park Rangers following an incident prior to the 2003 play-off final when the two sides met in which a Cardiff fan was arrested after triggering a false fire alarm call at the Rangers' team hotel during the night prior to the match" - this is a very long sentence, without even a comma to break it up! Consider rewording a little to break it up.
      Split. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • "If it goes off, it goes off; but I think there is enough security there" - since a whole sentence is quoted here (and indeed part of the previous sentence), I think that maywebe the full stop should be inside the quote rather than outside it, per MOS:LQ.
      Done. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's it for now, more to follow.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:34, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      Finished up all these points, cheers. Kosack (talk) 07:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Summary:
Amakuru I've done most of the trivial stuff, Kosack I've left the hard ones! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:07, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Finished up the last few. Kosack (talk) 18:42, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the speedy turnaround, guys. It looks up to snuff to me now, so happy to support.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:19, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Lee Vilenski

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I may end up claiming points towards the wikicup. Hope you don't mind! :P|

I'll take a look at this article, and give some comments on how it meets the FA criteria in a little while. If you fancy doing some QPQ, I have a list of items that can be looked at here - specifically FACs for 2020 World Snooker Championship and 1984 World Snooker Championship Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 17:17, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski cheers, much appreciated, I've addressed all bar one issue above which I've asked Kosack to comment on/address. Many thanks for your review. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 18:30, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lee Vilenski I'm done on the second set, thanks very much. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:41, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lee Vilenski hey dude, have we addressed your concerns? Cheers. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

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Will try to get to this tomorrow, will likely be claimed in the WikiCup. Hog Farm Bacon 01:46, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • There's some minor formatting inconsistencies. For instance, BBC Sport is not linked in ref 9, but it's linked in about all the other instances.
    Linked ref 9. Kosack (talk) 15:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can we get a location for the Saunders book?
    Added. Kosack (talk) 15:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm familiar with most of these sources, but not with Soccerbase or the Football Club History Database. The latter appears to be self-published. Soccerbase looks to be a sports betting site. What makes either of these high-quality RS?
    These two were recently addressed at another FAC HERE, and I believe they are both widely used and well regarded sources. Kosack (talk) 15:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Spot checks
  • "Cardiff kept their team hotel location secret in order to avoid any attempts of a retaliation attempt by fans of Queens Park Rangers. This followed an incident prior to the 2003 play-off final when the two sides met in which a Cardiff fan was arrested after triggering a false fire alarm call at the Rangers' team hotel during the night prior to the match." - Checks out
  • "The referee for the match was Andre Marriner (Birmingham)" - Checks out
  • "With just over 20 minutes to play, Cardiff were awarded a penalty, which Whittingham scored to level the aggregate score again at 3–3" - Checks out
  • The match rules from the report - Source doesn't mention the substitutes
  • " Blackpool midfielder Keith Southern was named man of the match" - Checks out
  • "The 2009–10 Championship title was won by Newcastle United with 102 points, returning to the Premier League one season after being relegated" - The 102 points isn't mentioned in the source, but it's cited in the table, so it's alright, I guess
  • "Cardiff City finished fourth in the Championship, three points behind Nottingham Forest and level on points with Leicester City in fifth" - Checks out

Pretty confident that the article well follows the sources. Hog Farm Bacon 15:33, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hog Farm thanks very much for your help, I think this is "oven ready" @FAC coordinators: . Cheers. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Cas Liber

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Looks all in order on comprehensiveness and prose. I can't see any deal-breakers prose-wise. A nice read. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers Cas. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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