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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 8 September 2021 [1].

History of Burnley F.C.

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Nominator(s): WA8MTWAYC (talk) 07:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the history of English football team Burnley F.C., who have seen the absolute highs and lows. I've created this article a year ago and it has passed the GA process. All comments will be appreciated. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 07:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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Support from TRM

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Lead

Early years (1882–1912)

Starter for you. More to come. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:59, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Glory and decline (1912–1946)

Progressive and golden era (1946–1976)

The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:53, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Decline and near oblivion (1976–1987)

Recovery (1987–2009)

Premier League football and back in Europe (2009–present)

Just references to go on the first pass. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Refs

The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:22, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man Thank you very much for this review, I appreciate it. I've addressed your comments. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 07:44, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I'm happy to support the nomination now, good work. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:48, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

CommentsSupport by Z1720

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Non-expert prose review.

  • "who decided to leave the rugby code" What is a rugby code? Is that the name of the league they were participating in? Perhaps a different word can be used here, or this can be wikilinked.
    • With rugby code I meant the sport itself; I've reworded it a bit.
  • "one of the twelve founder members" founding members?
    • Founder members is British English.
  • "That same year saw the team win their first trophy." Move this to the end of the info about the Dr Dean Trophy, as I was confused when it was placed at the beginning.
    • Done
  • " Burnley director and Football League management committee member Charles Sutcliffe had already proposed the discontinuation of test matches." I'm not sure why this is important for the article and perhaps can be deleted.
    • Deleted
  • "the side finished in last place in 1902–03 but were re-elected." What does re-elected mean?
    • Added a footnote.
  • "whose father travelled from Australia to see him play in the final," Why is this important for the reader to know? Since the article is already quite long, I think this can be deleted.
    • Removed
  • "Jonathan Brown, William Pickering" I assume these are players, but this should be specified in the article.
    • Done
  • "while Teddy Hodgson died after he contracted a kidney problem." Was this in relation to the war? If not, it can be delete.
    • This was in relation to the war.
  • "while Page played in attack" What does played in attack mean?
    • As a forward/striker; reworded
  • "A tied club record 9–0 victory over New Brighton in the next round followed despite Doug Winton missing a penalty." -> In the next round, the club tied their record for largest victory with a score of 9–0 over New Brighton." I don't think this information about missing a penalty is needed.
    • Reworded; deleted the penalty part
  • "—only McIlroy and Alex Elder had cost a transfer fee. Both players were bought from Northern Irish club Glentoran; McIlroy transferred to Burnley for £8,000 (the equivalent of £276,000 as of 2021[b]) in 1950, while Elder cost the club £5,000 (the equivalent of £117,000 as of 2021[b]) in January 1959. -> "Only two players, McIlroy and Alex Elder, cost a transfer fee, with both players bought from Northern Irish club Glentoran for £8,000 (the equivalent of £276,000 as of 2021[b]) in 1950 and £5,000 (the equivalent of £117,000 as of 2021[b]) in January 1959, respectively." Since this section is long, I want to reduce the number of words wherever I can.
    • That's alright; done
  • "Although the team faced strong opponents, the players found it hard to take the tournament seriously. The stadium announcer often misinterpreted the referee's decisions, the crowd showed little interest in the games, and every match would end with a countdown "worthy of a space-rocket launching"." I'm not sure this information belongs in this article, as it is more about the tournament than the team. Since this article is already quite large, I recommend deleting it.
    • Done
  • "Although Burnley were far from a two-man team," I don't think this is necessary and can be deleted.
    • Done
  • " The impact of the abolition of the maximum wage in 1961, which meant clubs from small towns like Burnley could no longer compete financially with sides from bigger towns and cities, was more damaging." This sentence should be placed before the previous sentence as it happened chronologically first.
    • Done
  • "fans criticised Bond for signing expensive players, increasing Burnley's debt, and for selling Lee Dixon, Brian Laws and Trevor Steven." -> fans criticised Bond for increasing Burnley's debt by signing expensive players, and for selling Lee Dixon, Brian Laws and Trevor Steven.
    • Done
  • "For the upcoming 1986–87 campaign," Delete upcoming as redundant wording
    • Done
  • " they needed a win against Orient, and for Lincoln City to lose and for Torquay United to not win." -> they needed to win against Orient, for Lincoln City to lose their match, and Torquay United to not win theirs."
    • Done
  • "In front of approximately 35,000 Burnley supporters and a total attendance of 44,806," Why are the attendance numbers important for this match? I think this can be deleted.
    • Deleted (although it's still kinda special to outnumber your rivals by such numbers).
  • Per MOS:REFERENCES, "Usually, if the sections are separated, then explanatory footnotes are listed first, short citations or other footnoted citations are next, and any full citations or general references are listed last." Unless there is a reason for general references to be listed first, they should probably be moved to after the specific references.
    • Done
  • Per WP:CITEVAR, citation styles should be consistent. If Quelch and Simpson are book sources and are going to be listed in General references, then the other books used in the references section (Butler, Inglis, and Thomas) should have the same citation style and be listed in General.
  • What is Clarets Mad? If it is a fansite, it might fall under WP:ELNO #11 and should be removed.
    • Removed

Those are my thoughts. Please ping after the above have been responded to. Z1720 (talk) 19:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 Thank you very much for your time and review, it's appreciated! I've addressed your points and left some comments. Thanks, WA8MTWAYC (talk) 22:18, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My concerns have been addressed, I support. Z1720 (talk) 16:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Edwininlondon

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I saw a request for a source review for this. Happy yo do that, but I'll start with some minor comments on the article itself:

  • to abandon its rugby roots --> I find this a bit too poetic
    • Reworded
  • changed code to football --> changed to football?
    • Done
  • continuously occupied the same ground for longer --> is this England wide or worldwide?
    • It's worldwide; added
  • a donation of £65 --> does this mean that the cricket club owns Burneley's home ground? Still?
    • No, Turf Moor is owned by Burnley. I don't know when the stadium (or rather the land) really became in the hands of the club, however.
  • after which the gates started to slightly improve --> not sure about this expression. I'm sure it's correct but is it right for readers here?
    • I've switched "gates" and "attendances" in the sentence, so it'll hopefully be clear what gates alludes to.
  • implemented a Total Football playing style --> it wasn't called that yet, so perhaps "a playing style which later became known as Total Football"
    • Done
  • The caption "Wade Elliott's goal earned Burnley a 1–0 victory over Sheffield United in the Championship play-off Final," has a capital F, but in the body text it is a small f
    • Great find; amended
  • Note d and e are the same. Is it possible to merge them?
    • Note d and e are identical, but in 1888-89 (note d) there were four teams in the "relegation/re-election zone", while there were three in 1902-03 (note e). Both notes also use different refs. So if it's okay with you, I'm keeping the notes apart.
      • OK

I hope to be able to do a spot check later today. Edwininlondon (talk) 09:30, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edwininlondon Thanks very much for your time and review, I appreciate it. I've addressed your points and left some comments. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 11:33, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spotcheck: #65 88 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 all ok.

I see The Rambling Man has already been so kind to look at the references' formatting and source reliability. I trust his judgment. I also note that WA8MTWAYC already has quite a few successful FACs, so I think my spotcheck suffices. I Support. Edwininlondon (talk) 20:34, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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