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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 11:51, 1 June 2011 [1].

Homicide: Life on the Street (season 1)

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Nominator(s): — Hunter Kahn 22:03, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've been working on this article for a long time, first on the individual articles themselves, then on this overarching season article, as I feel a bottom-to-top approach is the best way to handle a subject of this type. Both this article and the individual episode articles have all passed GA and GT. This particular article has also gone through a peer review, and I believe it's now ready for FA. I am ready and eager to respond to any comments here at the FAC. Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 22:03, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment - When was there a push to start listing crew members? I was reading over that section and it's basically a list masquerading as prose. It's not offense to your work, but not even the film project lists out what appears to be every last crew member from their productions. Per WP:MOSTV, which isn't the be-all-end-all (but it's something), the only reason to list any crew members outside of the infobox would be if they did something significant during the production and thus would be covered when discussing the event itself. The brings a new question into consideration that would not be determinable on this page but would require extensive discussion elsewhere, but does the season infobox need to be updated to include additional parameters for crew members like the general TV infobox does? As of right now it doesn't, but to me half of the people in the crew section wouldn't normally be listed anywhere else other than IMDb to begin with. Just as an example, I have no idea what a supervising producer and coordinating producer are. I thought all producers supervised and coordinated. Or the fact that all of the screenwriters are listed in the episode table, and then again in the Crew section. It just seems unnecessary to me.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:06, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
  1. "The first season received consistently strong reviews..." - What is a "strong" review? I mean, to me and most people for that matter, it's obvious. But for the purposes of writing and being neutral, it's probably best to keep it simply "positive" or "negative". Besides, "strong" can be "strong negative" just as easily.
  2. Is it possible to just summarize the awards into a solid sentence instead of almost restating exactly what's in the Awards section? I know there is a bit more detail and an acceptance speech in the section, but it just seems like a lot of detail for the lead.
  3. "Unable to find evidence against a brutal murder suspect, Howard seeks help from the victim's ghost." - Does Howard actually see/speak to this ghost? If not, then that is what the sentence is implying.
    • Changed to "tries to seek". — Hunter Kahn 15:32, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think my concern was more how they were "seeking" the help. The show doesn't strike me as having supernatural elements, so when I read the statement it makes it seem like there is a ghost appearing on the show. I saw later it says her partner helps her by consulting a tarot reader. Is that how she is trying to contact the ghost, or is she doing something else? I mean, when I read it I get images of Medium, and I am assuming that that is not the case.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:20, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  4. "Final appearance of Medical Examiner Carol Blythe." - Seems kind of random and out of place for a plot summary.
Other than that, not really a lot wrong with the article. I took the liberty of merging a 2 sentence paragraph and removing image size restrictions as the MOS says that IP readers usually get a default size and readers with a low screen resolution would have images taking up more space than normal because of the restricted size. Also, we're supposed to alternate sides with visuals so that it balances the page.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • They were placed that way because during the GA review it was said the images should point toward the article, not away from. For example, Barry Levinson should be looking at the article, not in the opposite direction. But it doesn't matter to me, your way is fine and probably does balance the article better. Thanks for the review, Bignole! — Hunter Kahn 15:32, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Ruhrfisch - I peer reviewed this and felt it was pretty close to FA quality then. Having just reread it and made a few minor copyedits (please revert me if I made things worse), I think it meets the FA criteria. I have a few nit-picks, which do not detract from my support.

  • In the Episode 2 summary, this seems to be an error: Meanwhile, Secor continues his investigation into the murder of 11-year-old Adena Watson. A rookie detective on his first case, Bayliss has trouble emotionally detaching from her death, and Al "Gee" Giardello (Yaphet Kotto) demands he show more confidence. Secor is the name of the actor, Bayliss is the name of the character Secor plays.
  • In the Episode 5 summary, "...by identifying hidden insecurities about them." is awkward. Perhaps ...by identifying their hidden insecurities. would be better?
  • In the Episode 9 summary, would Meanwhile, Howard learns her sister's husband has been cheating on her, ... be clearer as Meanwhile, Howard learns her brother-in-law has been cheating on her sister,...?
  • Missing word in the Conception section? The book contradicted many popular myths that had been built in [to?] past police dramas: it portrayed the detectives as not always getting along with each other and...
  • Would this be clearer? Both Belzer and [the character] Munch [he portrays] are cynical, caustic former hippies who are so similar that Belzer declared the character "exactly as I would be if I were a cop".[28]
  • In the Writing section, tighten this? These consistency errors were addressed by Homicide producers by adding the words "One hot night, last September..." to the beginning of the episode...

Nicely done, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lead is solid. from Cryptic C62, Emperor of the Semi-Imaginary nation of Buldesia.

  • The majority of the lead is written as though the show is fictional, but this sentence implies the opposite: "the season followed the detectives of Baltimore Police Department homicide unit and the murder cases they investigate." Perhaps the "fictional" or "fictitious" should be inserted to clarify the matter.
  • "a season-high viewership of 18.24 million households" For some reason, the phrase "18.24 million" just doesn't feel right to me. In my experience, this number would usually be written as 18.2 million or 18,240,000. Of those two, I have no preference.
    • I changed it in the lead. I'd rather keep the numbers as they are in the Episodes table, since the information is more specific that way and it seems to fit better there to me than int he lead, but if I have to I can scale it back there as well. — Hunter Kahn 22:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Other than these nitpicks, I am happy with the lead. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have essentially no online sources, I'm wondering how a source check (close paraphrasing and accurate representation of sources) could be done. Are none of your news sources available online? That's incredible. USA Today, Time, several others I see usually are available online-- could you please review your sources and provide convenience links so a source check can be done. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spotchecks - 7 sources checked. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • "It was important for Barry Levinson..." - why exclude the bracketed portion from the original? Also, it seems from the source that it's the author who's calling this episode risky, not Fontana himself
    • I didn't use the brackets because they were added to the original quote to give context to who he is, but this article already had the context so I thought it unnecessary. However, I added it back. As far as the whole "risky" thing, the author may be the first one to suggest the episode was risky, but by Fontana's quote, he's certainly acknowledging that it was indeed risky, so I think the current wording is appropriate. — Hunter Kahn 04:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "simultaneously funny and harrowing" is a direct quote from the source, and should either be set with quotation marks or reworded
    • My mistake. Quotes added. 04:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Additions to quotes should be notated with square brackets, not parentheses
    • I think the only place I did this wrong was at: ([as if) trying to signal, 'See how much better we are than ordinary television". I fix it, but if I missed something, let me know. — Hunter Kahn 04:38, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Beatty claimed Levinson "pushed, dragged and hauled" him into accepting the role" - no, according to the source that quote refers to Beatty's agents and managers, and they got him to meet Levinson, not accept the role
  • The Time article praises not the lack of "two-dimensional" violence, but the lack of any violence at all
  • "strong cast" is verbatim from the cited source. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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