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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 31 October 2021 [1].


Nominator(s):  — Amakuru (talk) 06:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC); The Rambling Man[reply]

This article is about the final of Euro 2020, the football tournament which took place a few months ago (even though it's 2021!). As someone from England, this was a tough one to write about - it was first major final that the team have reached in my lifetime, and with England holding the lead into the second half it looked for while like it might be our year. It wasn't to be though, the curse of the penalty shootout struck again! Italy were a great team though, and played really well throughout the tournament, so that's the way it goes. As ever, all feedback welcome and I'll be happy to return the favour with a review for anyone else who needs one. Just let me know!  — Amakuru (talk) 06:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review — Pass

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Would be listing every image in the article, and adding my concerns (if any)

Alt text seems fine.
Most of the images are default sized, except the info-box image, which probably needs to be fixed.
All images seem relevant here.

Great, Pass for image review. The only issue to far too minor to prevent it for passing the review. Would appreciate your comments for this nomination. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kavyansh.Singh thanks, much appreciated. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:20, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from ChrisTheDude

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ChrisTheDude I think, between us, we've got to all your comments, thanks! Do let us know if there's anything else. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:06, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Cas Liber

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Looking now....I made these tweaks - looks fine on comprehensiveness and prose Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:26, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Edwininlondon

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I have made a few minor edits while reading through, ones I thought were not controversial, but feel free to revert if I was wrong. My comments so far:

More later. Edwininlondon (talk) 15:59, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's it from me. Edwininlondon (talk) 13:54, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edwininlondon could you take another look and see what is outstanding please? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 10:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All fine. I Support on prose. Nice work! Edwininlondon (talk) 13:31, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review from Grapple X

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Full disclosure: my father is Italian, this match was perfect, and Chiellini is a genius. Revision reviewed

Shocking! Italy were a really good team, though, no doubt about it...  — Amakuru (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Italian-language sources like La Gazzetta dello Sport could do with using the language= parameter, and trans-title= when the title has been translated into English. For example ref 122 uses the language field and retains the original title; ref 123 doesn't use it and has translated the original title.
    I've put the original title in the |title= parameter for all of them, and indicated that they are in Italian. They don't all have translated titles, though, I don't speak Italian myself!  — Amakuru (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Having only one translated when there are a few in Italian isn't ideal; if you'd like I'll add a translation to all of them or we could lose the one we do have, either approach is fine but I wouldn't be in favour of a mix. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ
    @Grapple X: yes, feel free to add them. Thanks!  — Amakuru (talk) 13:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 90 states it was "Archived 12 July 2021 at the Wayback Machine", same with ref 93. This seems nonstandard with the other archival links; given that all of the archiving uses the Wayback Machine (archive.org) this is an odd thing to point out only twice.
    I've removed those references to the Wayback Machine. It was just a different template.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a date for ref 73? I don't have Times access but it's unusual to see a newspaper not date their items.
  • An ISSN for the Times but not elsewhere?
    I've swapped out that Times source altogether, as it seems the entire article changed frequently on the day of publication, with neither the live nor archived version matching what the text said. So I've reworded a bit with a new source.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • All I can see at present. Sources seem reliable and high-quality, instances of citing a tweet are used only to verify a direct quote which is fine per WP:TWEET. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 10:57, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Grapple X: I think I've looked at all the above points. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks good, just one point above. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 13:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, I've added those titles using english title casing but you can change that to sentence casing if you wish (which is what it would be in Italian). Let me know if you have a preference but otherwise I would consider this passed on sources. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 15:08, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Grapple X

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Going to look at a content review in addition to sourcing.

  • "Originally scheduled for 12 July 2020, the match had been postponed along with the rest of the tournament due to the COVID-19 pandemic in Europe." This isn't mentioned in the article body—in fact the "Background" section has no mention of the postponement. I know this isn't the article for the tournament proper but a mention would be beneficial especially as we have the situation where the 2020 Final is being played in July 2021.
  • "lost to France in 2000 via a golden goal" Not all of us lived through the years of tyranny involved with the golden goal, suggest wikilinking it for clarity
  • "Three of their four competitive meetings at major tournaments resulted in Italy wins". Could simplify this to "Italy won three of their four competitive meetings at major tournaments"
  • Luke Shaw image is pretty terrible, let's be honest. Might be able to get a better crop out of File:Luke Shaw, Manchester United v Newcastle United, 11 September 2021 (44) (cropped).jpg, the resolution might not be any better but since he's looking forward and not down it would at least seem less like a Crimewatch still.
  • "Chiellini later claimed that he had "cursed" Saka before his penalty miss, by shouting "Kiricocho" as the England player struck the ball"—Without explanation, this is some fairly inside-baseball stuff; the source explains what "Kiricocho" means/represents and we should really follow suit, even just briefly. Something like "Chiellini later claimed that he had "cursed" Saka before his penalty miss, by shouting "Kiricocho"—a common superstitious term among footballers—as the England player struck the ball" or better words to that effect.
  • There's mention that RAI are the state broadcaster for Italy, for context it might be worth adding the same for the BBC.
  • All I have for now. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 12:34, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Grapple X: many thanks for the review. I think I've looked at all your points. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 23:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay, that looks good to me--the added depth re: postponement especially, article now functions as a standalone much better. Happy to support in light of the improvements. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 23:48, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Query for the coordinators

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@FAC coordinators: we're two days from the mystery "unwritten" three-week threshold here and have all the pre-requisites. Can you let us know if there's anything more we need to do to ensure a timely promotion please? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:07, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is not any rule, written or otherwise, regarding three weeks or three supports. Other than three supports being the minimum usually required for it to be considered that a consensus to promote has been reached after any length of time. It is unusual for a nomination with only three reviews to be promoted after only three weeks, but as I will not be promoting any nominations by WikiCup contestants until next month I haven't been through this in detail and it is possible that it is one of those unusual exceptions. The standard answer to the FAQ "What can I do to get my nomination speedily promoted/" is "Get further detailed scrutiny of it by further reviewers". This applies pretty much however many reviews/supports it already has.

On a separate but related point, note that for my current nom Second Battle of Cape Finisterre (1747) I asked for further reviews on the WikiCup talk page even though it already had three supports and has now been open for more than three weeks. (You were kind enough to provide one of them, for which thank you.) I did this because I considered there was no chance of it being prompted before the end of the month with only three supports.

I hope that this helps. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It does Gog, of course. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @FAC coordinators: so this one now has four content supports and the usual source and image reviews thanks to Grapple's recent support. @Ian Rose, is there any chance this might be promotable before the end of the WikiCup on Sunday? Do we need to do anything further in order to make that happen? I'm aware it's a fairly recent nomination, but if you don't ask you don't get! Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 00:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi TRM, Amakuru, forgive me if I missed something but I couldn't see the timings for the subs and cards in the match report cited... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      @Ian Rose: thanks for the query. The timings are given in the Guardian minute-by-minute report, so I've just added that as an explicit extra source above the two team lists. Hopefully that satisfies your concern. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      Hmm, maybe I'm suffering temporary blindness but I can only see the timings for the subs, not the cards (understand that I'm not incredibly fussed about seeing times for the cards, only that if we present timings that they be properly cited)... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:37, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      @Ian Rose: ah, it's not mentioned in the panel on the left, but all of the cards are mentioned in the minute-by-minute updates, I checked them this morning. For example, for Nicola Barella's yellow card on 47 minutes, the source has an update on page 4 saying: "47 min: Kane powers down the left and is clipped on the heel by Barella, who becomes the first name in the referee’s notebook tonight.". Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      Ah-ha... Not sure the uninitiated would immediately equate "first name in the referee’s notebook" with a yellow card -- I suppose they'd report a red card as "given his marching orders..."? Anyway I'll pay it... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 12:06, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      True enough, it's certainly a rather obscure jargony phrase! The Guardian minute-by-minutes are always a bit more of a colloquial and chatty tone than a regular report would be, although I'd hazard that anyone reasonably familiar with football would be able to connect those two statements together... as for red card, yes "given his marching orders" would cover it or even "ordered to have an early bath"  — Amakuru (talk) 12:14, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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