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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 23 October 2021 [1].

Your Lie in April

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Nominator(s): Link20XX (talk) 00:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a Japanese romantic drama manga series by Naoshi Arakawa. The series remains a very popular series, especially its anime adaptation, which has received more praise that the original work. This nomination is coming off of a peer review which lasted from June to October. In this review, many editors gave very helpful comments, which I have used to greatly improve the article to the state it is currently in. I feel the article is now ready for the nomination. Just want to note this is my first FA nomination so if I messed something up, please have patience. Thanks. Link20XX (talk) 00:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Tintor2 (talk) 00:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC): Nice work in improving the article ever since the GA review. I hope it becomes FA so I'll try pointing any issue I find. In response, I requested a peer review for Psycho-Pass: the Movie if you can commment there too if possible. Well, leaving some comments:[reply]

Lead:

*"The story follows a young pianist named Kо̄sei Arima, who loses the ability to hear the piano after his mother's death" For a lead that feels kinda short. Considering this is a premise-like area it feels like it could briefly expanded like you did in the anime episode list. Based on what I read, a mention of Kaori Miyazono's character is very important for the premise.

  • Should the OVAs be briefly commented?
Plot
  • Try being as objective as possible. "Tsubaki and Watari, until one day, a girl changes everything." turn into something like "A young woman/teenager generates a major impact"
  • ". She invited Kosei to play at a Gala with her. "Remember to write fiction in present tense unless for some reason it is meant to be written in retrospective like a flashback.
Characters
  • It's well written but like the plot events that happen across the narrative need to be written in present like "Kaori first met Kōsei when she asked Tsubaki to set her up with Watari." to "Kori meets Kosei when asking"
Development
  • Nodame Cantabile needs wikilink and italics
  • Becareful with the grammar. The first paragraph uses "he" many times. Try other uses like "The author" and Arakawa for variety.
  • The anime section seems to have important information about the opening and ending themes. Maybe try connecting them to the media section would be useful.
Manga
  • Add the volume or format next to tankobon to make it easier to understand.
  • Can you provide a premise about the spin-off Coda?
Anime
  • I'm not sure if it's possible but maybe the creation of the anime section could be moved here.
  • Give a brief premise of the OVA.
Reception
  • In some cases you are writing critics but such information is backed up by one single source. Are there more sources you can provide for this generalizations?

That's all. Ping me once you think you solved this issues please.Tintor2 (talk) 00:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose from Aoba47

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I am very happy to see a manga article in the FAC space. I will do my best to help. I am somewhat familiar with manga, but I have never heard of this one. My comments are below:

Addressed comments
  • I would include ALT text for the infobox image.
  • I am uncertain if musical belongs the genre parameter. I am not sure if the genre parameter is specifically for the manga itself or would also encompass adaptations? It does seem off to me to have it there, because it made me wonder how a manga could be a musical.
  • I am uncertain about the structure of the lead. Shouldn't the third paragraph (which is about the series creation and reception) come before the second one (which is about the adaptations)? It just seems out of order to me.
  • The lead does not really address the shōnen aspect. In the lead for The Heart of Thomas, it has the following part, Originally serialized in Shūkan Shōjo Comic, a weekly manga magazine publishing shōjo manga (manga aimed at young and adolescent women). I was wondering if it would be beneficial to add something similar for this part, was serialized in Kodansha's Monthly Shōnen Magazine.
  • For this part, been adapted into a stage play, a light novel, and a musical, I would unlink stage play and musical as a majority of readers would already be familiar with the concept and having too many links takes away from the ones that are more useful.
  • I have two comments about this part, and views the world in monochrome, without any flair or color. I am not really sure what you mean by "flair" in this context, but either way, I would just remove the without any flair or color part completely as it is already explained by the prior monochrome bit so this comes across as repetitive.
  • For this part, often spends time with his friends, Tsubaki and Watari, I would use the characters' full names upon their first mention in the summary.
  • This part, until one day, a girl changes everything., seems rather sensational and I would instead go for a more objective summary.
  • In the plot summary, you introduce Kaori as fourteen, but do we know how old Kōsei is? That would be helpful to know if possible.
  • I have two comments about this sentence, She invited Kosei to play at a Gala with her. Why is Gala capitalized? Also, why is there a shift to past tense here? It is not immediately clear when she invited him.
  • For this part, Kaori fails to show up at the Gala, I would say Kaori does not show up at the Gala. The fails to part seems unnecessary and not the best phrasing in this context.
  • For this part, in the hope of motivating her. The duet motivates Kaori, I would avoid having motivating/motivates in such close context.
  • I must admit that I was initially confused when I first read this part, She also reveals that she had been in love with Kōsei since she was five, as I thought they met later. The summary later clarifies that she attended one of his concerts, but I think it would be better to mention this here as their connection is not particularly clear to me.
  • I have a question about this part, who also has limerent feelings towards Kōsei. Does the manga or any of the sources use the word limerent? It is just not a common word, at least from my experience, so it seems rather out of place here.
  • I have two related questions. You use "later" in two parts of the summary (and is later discharged. and Kōsei later frames this picture.). Was a more specific time given for either of these instances?

These are my comments for the infobox, lead, and the "Plot" section. I will stop here and will continue my review once everything has been addressed. I hope these comments are helpful! Aoba47 (talk) 02:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Aoba47: Thanks for the comments! I have addressed all of them except for the one regarding "later". I re-read the manga and watched the anime in both the original Japanese and English dub and none of them gave a specific time length for either event. Link20XX (talk) 04:51, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for addressing everything so far. I will continue my review today. Thank you for double-checking about the time frame. It is not uncommon for stories to not really be explicit about their timelines, but I just wanted to make sure. Aoba47 (talk) 18:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This part, until a young girl generates a major impact, reads awkwardly. I would just remove this part, as the next sentence talks about how he meets Kaori and the plot summary already makes it very clear that she has a major impact on him.
  • In this part, but is highly favored by audiences that hear her playing, I'd remove the "that hear her playing" bit as it seems unnecessary.
  • For this part, Kaori was his love interest, which makes Kōsei jealous., I do not think "love interest" really works in this context. It is more of a term to describe a fictional character. I would instead clarify what their relationship was in-universe (i.e. was she his girlfriend, a crush, etc.)?
  • This is more of a clarification question. When I first read this part, and often beats him for small mistakes, I was curious if any of the sources talk about how Kōsei's mom physically abuses him? This seems like a rather big plot point, so I was wondering if there was any further coverage on this element.
  • For this part, he entered a one-shot comic, shouldn't it just be he entered a one-shot? From my understanding he is entering a manga and not a comic, and there is a difference between the two.
  • I would avoid one-word quotes, like in saying he was "bored" of, as they are not particular beneficial to the reader and actually take away from other quotes. I would paraphrase this. You could go with something like saying he was tired of instead.
  • I would avoid the repetition of Arakawa and music manga in this sentence: Despite Arakawa's previous music manga pitch getting turned down, Arakawa eventually settled on a music manga.
  • This sentence, Arakawa was unsure about the ending of his work, but the director of the anime, Kyōhei Ishiguro, stated that he liked the ending so Arakawa did not change it., also feels rather repetitive and reads awkwardly to me.
  • The sentence structures for the "Manga" subsection of the "Development" section is quite repetitive. A majority of the sentences start with Arakawa/He..., and I was wondering if there would be a way to vary this sentence structure more to keep the readers engaged.
  • I would remove File:The scene in the OP1 of "Your Lie in April".jpg. The bridge is not discussed in that section so it does not serve a clear purpose and seems more decorative than anything.
  • This sentence, Saitō offered the role of director to Kyōhei Ishiguro because he had previously worked with Ishiguro on the seventh episode of Wandering Son, where Ishiguro left a strong impression on Saitō., repeats the names quite a bit. Would there be a way to avoid this?
  • Have you considered putting a request for this article to be copy-edited by the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors? I am only asking this because as I read through the article, I am noticing areas where the prose could be improved. I am uncertain if the prose is on the level of a FA at the moment. Don't get me wrong, you have done a lot of great work.

These are my comments through the "Development" section. I hope this is helpful! Aoba47 (talk) 19:01, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Once again, thanks for the comments! I addressed most of your small comments. As for your question about Kōsei's mom, there is some coverage of her when it was brought up in the Anime News Network interview with Arakawa. As for the image, perhaps it should be moved down to the anime section, where real locations are discussed? I admit that I would like the article to have an image other than the anime logo and manga cover, so I may be biased a bit. As for the guild, I could make a request but that would take a bit so I would rather have the rest of the article be good to go. Link20XX (talk) 23:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the response. It is not encouraged to a GOCE copy-edit request at the same time as a FAC. I was more so curious if you considered a copy-edit in the past (whether it is by the GOCE or a separate copy-editor). I'd still encourage you to remove the image. I agree having images in an article is ideal, but they should have some purpose and not be purely decorative. While the "Anime" subsection mentions several locations, this bridge is not name in the prose so there is really no reason to have this image here. As a reader, I frankly found the image more confusing as the bridge is not discussed in the prose so it just comes across as some random image of a random location. Aoba47 (talk) 01:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have noticed the edits to the "Manga" subsection of the "Development" section (i.e. the inclusion of "the author" in multiple instances), and I think that makes the prose worse. From what I am reading so far, I do not think the prose is on the level expected for a FA right now. It is a solid good article, but I think a copy-edit and further revisions would help. I will continue to read the article tomorrow, but I am uncertain if this article is ready for a FAC if I am being completely honest. Aoba47 (talk) 01:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I admit that copy-editting is not a strength of mine, but I will see what I can do. As for the image, I have removed it. I will see if I can find a better image but I doubt there is one. If needed, I will not be opposed to withdrawing this for the time being so more copy-edits can take place. The inclusion of "the author" was something Tintor2 suggested above. Admittedly, I am having a bit of trouble thinking of another way to refer to him other than he and Arakawa. Link20XX (talk) 02:18, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would wait to hear from other reviewers first before withdrawing the FAC. If you really want to include an image of one of the locations, I'd go with this one (File:Platform at Oizumi-gakuen Station.jpg) of Ōizumi-gakuen Station as that station is named in the prose and is connected to the Seibu Railway (which for some reason was important to Arakawa?). I just wanted to provide at least some suggestion for this. As for "the author" parts, it is something that I personally avoid per this essay, but I know that this is more up to personal preference. I would look at the sentence structure to avoid having some parts of the prose come across as a listing of what Arakawa is doing. I can understand the difficulty though as this part is very much focused on Arakawa. Aoba47 (talk) 02:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, sorry for going out of order a bit, but I just wanted to ask about this sentence, While the original manga depicts the characters in their junior high year, the film had them be in their second-year of high school instead., as it has been bothering me a bit. Shouldn't it be the character in junior high school instead? Junior high is not a grade or a year so this does not really make sense. Aoba47 (talk) 02:31, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I admit I am fairly busy at the moment so I probably won't be able to do much for a bit, though I will try to give the entire article another lookover and see what I can do soon. As for the small correction, I have done it. Link20XX (talk) 02:35, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I am going to oppose this nomination as I think the prose needs further work to be a FA level. The article is a solid good article, but I believe more work outside of the FAC process is needed. I have a few quick comments about the "Reception" section below:
  • For this sentence, Others, such as Rebecca Silverman from Anime News Network, were more critical and thought the plot was not as emotional as Arakawa intended it to be., you mention multiple critics, but only the Rebecca Silverman citation is included so the "others" is not supported.
  • This is also true for the following sentences, (Many critics praised the plot of the adaptation, with Chris Beveridge from The Fandom Post stating "plainly said, [the series] moved me", others calling the series a masterpiece in storytelling., and Others noted that the plot may not be emotional to every viewer). These sentences all claim that multiple critics have this perception, but there are only supported by one citation/critical review.

This is just my opinion though so if you would like to keep the FAC up that is up to you. It may be best to wait and hear back from other editors, as I fully admit that I am not the best reviewer out there. Apologies for the oppose. Aoba47 (talk) 21:02, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • The reception section is certainly something I need to work on as well. Anyway, I would like to withdraw this nomination for now. I will work on getting this copyedited to the best of my ability and even asking others to help as well. Thanks for the comments and when I re-nominate this at some point in the future, I hope you will give more advice. Link20XX (talk) 23:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note -- okay thanks Link20XX, I'll close this and you can bring back to FAC after two weeks, or when you've completed your improvements, whichever is longer. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:32, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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