Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Birdman discography/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 23:04, 5 March 2012 [1].

Birdman discography

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Nominator(s): I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 19:03, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I've worked extensively to get this page up to standard, and think it meets the FLC criteria. Although I cannot guarantee that the page is already perfect, I feel it will not take too long to fix any issues anyone has. Based on my successful nomination of 50 Cent discography, I've formatted the page with the basic template I was given there, so it should be alright. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 19:03, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Michael Jester (talk · contribs) 1:36 pm, Today (UTC−5)

Non-reviewer comments from Michael Jester

Add collaboration album to the infobox?
Infobox says 15 featured singles, but the lead says 14
What does "*" mean in the studio albums table?
Why is the certifications column in the studio albums table so skinny? Every other column is much higher and shows a full cert on a single line.
Pricele$$ -> Priceless.
Why is the Guest appearances table look so differently than the other songs? The artists are not labeled under the song title.
What does "—" mean in the Guest appearances table mean?
Does the "N/A" mean there was no director? Or is it just unknown?
—Michael Jester (talk · contribs) 01:31, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've dealt with every comment except for the sixth one: please excuse me if I'm missing the point, but what do you mean by saying that it "look so differently than the other songs" and that the "artists are not labeled under the song title"? Some elaboration is needed. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 18:30, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll explain via tables. This is how the table is formatted now for first couple of songs in the Guest appearances :

List of guest appearances, with other performing artists, showing year released and album name
Title	Year	Other performer(s)	Album
"U.P.T."^[1]	1998	Juvenile, Hot Boys	400 Degreez
"Never Had Shit"^[2]	1999	Juvenile, B.G., Turk	Tha G-Code
"Flamboastin'"^[3]	2000	E-40	Loyalty and Betrayal

Re-doing the table to look like the other tables:

List of guest appearances, with other performing artists, showing year released and album name
Title	Year	Album
"U.P.T."^[1] (Juvenile featuring Hot Boys and Birdman)	1998	400 Degreez
"Never Had Shit"^[4] (Juvenile featuring Birdman, B.G. & Turk)	1999	Tha G-Code
"Flamboastin'"^[5] (E-40 featuring Birdman)	2000	Loyalty and Betrayal

I'd prefer to use to second one, as it shows whos song it is. But, as I am not reviewing, just giving comments, you don't have to listen to this one; it's just a preference.
—Michael Jester (talk · contribs) 22:49, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see what you mean now. Don't ask me why, but the format I used is generally the standard format for guest appearances tables. I see your point, but for consistency's sake I'll stick with the format I already have. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 18:00, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine.
—Michael Jester (talk · contribs) 18:38, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Could link discography in the lead.
Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 14:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You say in the lead the 39 singles includes 19 as featured artist... infobox could be confusing, as it says 39 singles and 19 featured singles.
Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 14:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"number 9 " would prefer nine here.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"peaked at number 3 on the Billboard 200 and number 1" maybe "at number three on ... and topped the..."?
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You use "peak" 11 times in the lead, making it quite repetitive, any chance of a rephrase please?
The lead doesn't discuss any of his "featured work" or collaboration album. Don't forget the lead is supposed to "summarise" the whole article.
- Done Written about some of his successful featured singles. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 14:59, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Mixtapes don't appear in the lead or the infobox.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see "5 * Stunna" in ref 1 or ref 5 or ref 6.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 14:32, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see "Birdman" in ref 1.
- Album also known under the title Baby aka the #1 Stunna - have mentioned this in the lead, as Billboard has assigned the chart positions to the latter name. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have time to check each and every ref, but it should be noted that you probably need to revisit and make sure everything is cited.
Refs seem to refer to Priceless as Pricele$$, worth a mention.
Year columns are WAY too wide on my browser (Safari).
- There is no specific width set for the year columns - all of the others have widths,to make sure that the song title boxes line up properly. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fire Flame appears to have been a 2011 chart act in Canada, not a 2010 one...
- Yes, but it was actually released in 2010 (see here. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Collaboration singles have a table but aren't in the infobox or lead?
- I'm counting collaboration singles in the totals on main singles in the infobox and lead. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Guest appearances, why is Other performer(s) col centrally aligned? Looks way odd.
- Personally, I feel that it makes the table look neater. Lots of other discographies use this format, although admittedly the table is usually a lot smaller. If you think it is absolutely vital that I change this, then I will do that. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Bow Wow is a dab.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cash Money Millionaires#Discography -make a more elegant piped link for this rather than the hashed section link.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 13:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:29, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 23:44, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

Ref 1 should be moved outside the parenthesis mark on its first use. Also, why does this need a cite here when the remainder of the sentence is sourced by the same reference?
- Done Removed the unnecessary cite altogether. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The em dashes at the end of the second paragraph are improperly spaced per the Manual of Style. Either make them unspaced or convert them to en dashes (the smaller ones).
- Done Changed the dash type. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Alt text would be nice to have for the image.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 18:01, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In note I, the "a chart" could be shortened to "which" like in the other notes. This would make the writing a shade tighter, which is important even in a note.
- Done I meant to make it the same as the others anyway. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For all Rap-Up refs (12, 88, 89, 91, and 108), the publisher should be italicized since it is a print publication. One of the reasons it helps to do this, in addition to it being proper style, is that it helps reviewers to establish that a given source can be trusted. I was about to ask whether Rap-Up was a reliable source before clicking on the wikilink and seeing what it was.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008 (Talk) 03:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great work. NapHit (talk) 18:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP Comments

"... and thirty-nine singles, including nineteen as a featured artist." – Are there 39 singles plus 19 collabs or are 19 of those part of the 39 in total? Also, this is probably a format followed in several discographies, but the "singles as a featured artist" wording is ungrammatical; "nineteen with him as a featured artist" would work though.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Per MOS:NUM, comparable numbers should be consistently written as figures or words. In other words, you cannot have "number two" but "number 36". You can have either "number 2" and "number 36" or "number two" and "number thirty-six". This is something you'll have to check in the lead. All chart positions should only be written either way.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"In 2010, Birdman appeared on the Kevin Rudolf single "I Made It (Cash Money Heroes)" alongside Lil Wayne and singer Jay Sean, which reached number 21 on the Hot 100[2] and charted in Australia,[9] New Zealand[10] and the United Kingdom." - A bit ungrammatical because the relative pronoun "which" must be immediately after what it's referring to, which in this case, should be the single, not Jay Sean.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"The album" is used a bit too often. Try and find opportunities where it can be replaced by "it" or something else. It gets repetitive after some time.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Studio albums: does the "... or was not released in that territory" apply here? The song charted on another US chart.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise in Other charted songs.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"'—' denotes unknown album." and "'N/A' denotes unknown director." - missing "an".
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What makes Datpiff a high quality reliable source?
- Done Good question. I have replaced it (however, bear in mind that sources for mixtapes are often very difficult to find). I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I understand. There are also two more Datpiff links in the article; the reference numbers are around the 80s. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 11:19, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done Replaced the other two. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 06:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why is 5 * Stunna in the references surrounded in quotations instead of being italicized? It's an album, non?
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not too fussy over this, but you could add a link to Birdmanstunna.com (official site) in an External links section.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 09:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There seems to be some linking inconsistency the Collaboration singles and As featured performer tables, where the chart abbreviations are not linked.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:45, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"... or was not released in that territory" also appears redundant in the Collaboration singles table, where all three charts are based in the US.
- Done I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 16:45, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good work! —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support as I see no reason not to. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 18:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support good, well-referenced work. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:55, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Image review: The image used appears to be free and properly tagged. Good raise 23:00, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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^ ^a ^b Birchmeier, Jason. "400 Degreez – Juvenile > Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved December 23, 2011.
^ Birchmeier, Jason. "Tha G-Code – Juvenile > Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved December 23, 2011.
^ Birchmeier, Jason. "Loyalty and Betrayal – E-40 > Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved January 8, 2012.
^ Birchmeier, Jason. "Tha G-Code – Juvenile > Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved December 23, 2011.
^ Birchmeier, Jason. "Loyalty and Betrayal – E-40 > Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved January 8, 2012.

[500degreez-1] Birchmeier, Jason. "400 Degreez – Juvenile > Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved December 23, 2011.

[2] Birchmeier, Jason. "Tha G-Code – Juvenile > Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved December 23, 2011.

[3] Birchmeier, Jason. "Loyalty and Betrayal – E-40 > Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved January 8, 2012.

[4] Birchmeier, Jason. "Tha G-Code – Juvenile > Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved December 23, 2011.

[5] Birchmeier, Jason. "Loyalty and Betrayal – E-40 > Overview". Allmusic. Rovi Corporation. Retrieved January 8, 2012.

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