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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 15:42, 5 August 2011 [1].

CeCe Peniston discography

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Nominator(s): Uzerakount (talk) 13:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it is a good article Uzerakount (talk) 13:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by DragonZero (Talk · Contribs)

I'm dropping by for a few comments but I do not want to feel committed to this.

  • This is a comprehensive list of music records - Articles don't begin by introducing themselves like this.
  • Where are the sources for the remix albums?
  • Same with compilation and live albums.
  • Looking through the whole article, some the dates do not seem to have sources
  • Why are there question marks in the article? This instantly fails #3 (comprehensiveness) of the FL criteria.
Hi,, thank you for your answer. I believed that for general description of albums, general links references are satisfactory. I have supplied specific ref-links per your notes. As for introduction of the article, feel free to adjust it please. I'm not a native EN speaker myself, so chose a formal language as much as I could. Let me know if there is anything else to be changed. Thank you. Uzerakount (talk) 15:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like no further feedback is to come. Can I include the article for Wikipedia:Good article nominations at least? Uzerakount (talk) 16:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, discographies are lists and not articles. Yes, lists are articles theoretically, but not de facto. You might canvass someone for review, for example User:Legolas2186, User:The Rambling Man or User:Giants2008. They are very nice at reviewing lists and I am pretty sure one of them are free to review it.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫Share–a–Power[citation needed] 17:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the note. Uzerakount (talk) 17:49, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Uzerakount had wanted my review of the article for its FL status, here I am.

  • The opening line should summarize the number of studio albums, EPs, singles etc etc. And do we really need to know she was a beauty queen?
Done
  • Your second and third line in the lead is actually the ones that should be the first line. See Lady Gaga discography as an example.
Done
  • There is no commentary about the status of the albums, whether they were successful or not, any notable certifications etc etc. It jumps straight to the singles, which is not done.
Done
  • "Summarizing her music recording sales certifications and sources confirming the sales of her records, Peniston may sold approximately six million records worldwide" – This is WP:SYNTH, which is not accepted in face of verifiable actual sales.
Removed, though one of the original sources confirmed the sale of her albums, while the second of her singles, so I don't agree with claiming it as WP:SYNTH.
  • Studio albums: The references for the charts should appear with a break alongside, again see the discography example I stated above.
I don't get this, the chart refs appear(ed) in the article just as in the article of Gaga that you have promote(d)
You have corrected it now unknowingly.
  • Reference 15, why the use of WP:CITEKILL? There's just a single reference in it.
Also, don't follow the message...
Now its reference 20, the Billboard one. You don't need to use a bullet to have the reference, just use the {{subscription required}} template.
  • Wassup with CeCe? As I see its supposed to be released in August 2011. So it would be better if you merged all of its cells as of now.
What do you mean by "merging its cells as of now"? To remove the album from the table for good?
No, what I meant was merge all the cells for its chart columns since it doesnt make sense to have it when its not even released.
  • We Got a Love Thang, you don't need to mention the word EP in the wikilink. And you need to classify it either as a remix album or as a EP. Because the infobox count is wrong.
Done
  • And certifications =/= sales, which you have in most cases like the Canada, US singles etc.
???
Reference 3 for eg: You are using the reference for the Canadian certification to source the sales of Finally as 50,000 which is wrong. CRIA certifies based on shipments, not sales. Hence Finally may have shipped 50,000 copies by her label, but it s sales would be less or greater than that and without an accurate source from Nielsen SoundScan, its WP:OR.
  • Choose any ten charts and stick with it. Not random charts based on the artist's charting.
Done. Although, cannot agree with this claim either. Cuz that rule would mean then in general that component charts should be not used in discographies lists, as there's no such a albums chart as (let's say) US Club Albums chart. You know what I mean? To be concrete, in M's Singles discography you have included also "US Club Singles chart", but in her albums discography you use her Spanish chart positions instead. How that explains the rule? In my point of view, you should either leave one singles column empty (as there is no such chart as US Club Albums), or instead her US Club singles chart positions use her Spanish singles positions and keep also her Spanish albums peaks. I would really be curious what is your answer as for this. Anyway, it's done on my side as wished.
Madonna is a different case because her discography extends four decades and her repertoire on the dance charts is what makes us allow the inclusion of that particular genre chart. To compensate that, the market which was least productive and smallest was removed, which was Spain. What would be your rationale for different chart inclusions here?
  • Why the sudden small letters for the beginning of the notes in Other tracks?
Done
  • Why the non-free song samples?
What non-free song samples? The samples have just the same licensing as has eg. HU article which is rated as GA. So what more do you want from mine?
You don't seem to have any understanding of WP:NFCC. I would recommend going through them. And can you please not drag other articles into this review? I find that highly disgusting and also see WP:WAX. Why the sample is included in "Hung Up" is that article's business. You need to explain why you are including 4 samples here, when they are not even increasing a reader's understanding.

I actually stopped after that as I do not believe the list is close to FL yet. Please see the above example I gave of a featured discography list and you can check other FL discographies too, in order to size up this one. At present in no way this can be promoted. — Legolas (talk2me) 14:36, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What's the status on the above concerns? Dabomb87 (talk) 17:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose still stands, the article has actually deteriorated. And nominator, please donot strike out my comments until I judge whether they are addressed or not. — Legolas (talk2me) 10:17, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose first para of lead...

  • Don't start with "The following is a list of..." no way, Jose. Start like an article, talk about CCP and avoid this kind of rotten lead sentence.
Done
  • No need to bold CeCe here.
Done
  • Her birthdate is irrelevant here " (born on September 6, 1969 in Dayton, Ohio, USA)" can be dismissed.
Done
  • "To date" -> which date?
Done
  • "Simultaneously" with what? Is that what you really mean?
Done
  • "plus thirty-one" not keen at all on the prose here "plus...", go for a copyedit.
Done
  • "of which seven are her featured titles only" no idea what this means.
Seven of thirty-one singles are her featured only. Titles=singles, if we don't wanna use term 'single' in each and every second sentence.

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, Jose ain't my name but I don't wonder the yours is named rambling. There's a button saying edit if you dare yourself Uzerakount (talk) 20:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I have too many commitments to fix these basic errors. I'm not here to fix everything I suggest, I'm here to ensure that lists promoted meet the minimum standards required. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:34, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Intro of the article completely redone. Uzerakount (talk) 02:23, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw recommended - sorry, but if you've rewritten the intro and think that "Both, the single as well as her debut album of the equal title," and "Additional cuts from her debut LP, such as "Inside That I Cried" and "Crazy Love," scored a success at least on the R&B field,[12] so-predicting a ..." are an improvement, you need to head to WP:LOCE for some help with the English grammar in the lead. At the moment, it's seriously in need of thorough copyedit by a native English speaker. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:31, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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