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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 06:56, 4 August 2008 [1].

Eminem discography

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I've been working on this discography for a long while on-and-off. I added a nice intro, infobox, tons of charting positions, restructured the organization of the article, created new sections and most especially added 30 more in-line citations (there were only 12 before), all with the proper "cite web", "cite book" and "cite news" templates. I've also asked User:Seegoon to review the page (ignore the whole "anal" thing!) and I've since addressed all of his concerns. Just compare the difference (though I had a two-month "break" between edits), but most importantly decide whether this discography is worthy of WP:Featured List. I believe it is (10000% not NPOV of course!) Thanks, Do U(knome)? yes...or no 06:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


  • Comments
  • Don't start the list with "This is a comprehensive..." - featured articles don't start this way. And avoid bold links in the lead as well.
 Done Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "twenty four" - 24.
 Done Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "début " no need for the accent.
 Done Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "highest selling" needs a hyphen?
 Done Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "for the first time Eminem reached the number one " switch this around.
 Done...i think. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't use small fonts.
Why? Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Prevents people with visualisation problems reading it easily. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yer, I removed all the small formats. Though it doesn't look as nice and appealing as it did with the "small", at least for me. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where are the formats for each release?
 Done Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think WP:DISCOGS usually expect album titles to be bold and italicised.
Are you sure? I've never seen that before, and per WP:Album they are to be only italicized. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe just check with the DISCOG guys - a lot of discogs have come through FLC lately and they all do that... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:30, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Do U(knome)? yes...or no 06:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC) I actually did this a while ago, forgot to add it.[reply]
  • "positions [10][11]" remove the space.
 Done Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • How do refs 10 and 11 help me prove, say, the Slim Shady LP made it to number 7 in Belgium? I'm very concerned that the referencing here needs a lot of work.
 Done In that space there used to be a citation with that position. I must have removed it by accident; I now restored it. And there is a reference for every single chart position (unless more "got lost" like that one, but I doubt it). Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The notes squash their respective numbers down in the table and wreck the formatting.
Are you sure it is not just your browser? To me it looks fine (you are talking about those notes explaining the 100+ positions, right?) Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • UK but U.S. - why?
Per MOS:ABBR Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • No refs at all for "Featured singles" - and what do you mean by "Featured" in this context?
There are 8 references actually. "Featured singles" meant as singles as a featured performer; I changed the heading. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • A few quick comments Good start, but there are WAY too many charts. On a lower-resolution monitor the columns are a disaster. MOS:DISCOG recommends 10 chart columns, based on the artist's relative success on that chart. The singles table has 24, which to me is bordering on WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Also the first sentence is rough. We already know it's a discography of Eminem, that's what the title's for. Also chart columns should be in English-language alphabetical order, and should avoid non-English abbreviations (such as CH). Take a look at other FL discogs for the typically used abbreviations. Lastly the chart citations are much too vague. I'd recommend dispersing them wherever appropriate into the individual country headers. I'm also very hesitant about the chart tallies at the end of the singles chart, but I'd like to get some other people's opinions on it. In general, I'd recommend taking a look at MOS:DISCOG and other FL discogs for some good examples. Normally with so much work needed I'd oppose, but I may not have time to back that up, so I just wanted to post some of my more serious concerns here nonetheless. Drewcifer (talk) 21:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I've fixed the first sentence. Took a look at those links and now I realize they are too many charts. Using what elimination process do you think I should remove the charts, if I need to cut the number down to around 10? (EUR, ARG, SPA, RSA, NOR, FIN, BEL can go easily, brining the number down to 17, but then?) Do U(knome)? yes...or no 21:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I got rid of those charts mentioned, and clean-up some in the album charts. I believe, if I correctly understood what you said, that it is impossible to separate the in-line citations under the country headers, since they are collections of chart positions from around the world, rather than from different nationalities. CH -> SWI as well. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 22:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I cut off the charts to a fair amount and put them in alphabetic list for the singles, I'm about to do the same for the albums. Question: Is all this really necessary. It look me quite a long time to get the charts in alphabetic order, and quite frankly I did not see the great gain from all that work. Nonetheless, what's done is done. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 03:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 I've completed all your requirements...I think. Do U(knome)? yes...or no 03:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • Could you wikilink to discography somewhere in the opening paragraph?
  • "which produced the hit single "My Name Is" and the top five single "Guilty Conscience"." Hit where? Top 5 where? I think it's better to leave this information out, especially the top 5 bit because it makes it sound like it was in the Top 5 everywhere it was released, which isn't the case
  • "In 2000, he released his following studio album" usually called a sophomore album
  • "In the same year, he was granted his own imprint label Shady Records" Try not to wikilink two words/phrases next to each other, per MOS:LINK
  • "Up to 2008" should be recast as "As of 2008"
  • Wikilink "fourth quarter" to Fourth quarter of a calendar year#Quarters
  • I'm not sure www.mariah-charts.com is a WP:RS. "+tons of other data of other artists" Looks like a fansite, too.
  • MOS:DISCOG lists reliable sources for chart data, and http://www.mariah-charts.com/chartdata/Sources.html has a few links too.
  • Sections should be ordered in the same order as in the infobox
  • UK, but U.S. WP:MOS##Acronyms and abbreviations says "In a given article, if the abbreviated form of the United States appears predominantly alongside other abbreviated country names, for consistency it is preferable to avoid periods throughout"
  • The sixth studio album hasn't been released yet, so it's not part of the discography. It should be removed from the table. The mention in the Lede will suffice until it is released.
  • I don't really understand the content of Other Charting Songs. "Hailie's Song" appears to have charted in the UK, but UK charts are based on sales only, not sales+airplay, so there has to have been a phyiscal release.
  • Try to merge the certifications table into the main singles table
  • Drunkenmunky released a single "E" (also "E (As In Evangeline)" outside the US), which featured, or at least sampled, Eminem's "Without Me". Image:Drunkenmunky - E.ogg. Some versions included the lyrics, other versions just the music. I think it charted in at least the UK, so maybe it should be included here.
  • Royce Da 5'9"'s "Rock City" )or some other song by him featuring Eminem) charted in the UK, though well out of the Top 40 and possibly outside the Top 75. I remember reading it in the 2004 edition of Guinness Book of British Hit Singles & Albums, though I don't have access to it any more.
  • Production section should come at the end, I think
  • Guest appearances table needs a bit of work. Is "What's the Difference?" by Dr. Dre ft Xzibit and Eminem, Xzibit ft Dr. Dre and Eminem, or are they on equal billing? Same for all the rest
  • "Ass like That" --> "Ass Like That"

I have too many concerns about this list, so I can't support at this time. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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