Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of African American United States Cabinet Secretaries

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 01:00, 25 February 2009 [1].

List of African American United States Cabinet Secretaries

Nominator(s): —Chris! _ct

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it fulfills the FL criteria. —Chris! _ct 21:16, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Very good list similar to your others. Again, you could add a couple more pictures if you want. This one has a few more than the last list, but more articles should link to this one. Reywas92 ^Talk 22:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Bencherlite ^Talk

;Comments from Bencherlite

An interesting list; just a few points.

"Robert C. Weaver was the first African-American to hold a Cabinet-level position; appointed United States Secretary of Housing and Urban Development in 1966" - how about "Robert C Weaver became the first... position when he was appointed United States" etc?
"In 1975 Secretary of Transportation William Thaddeus Coleman, Jr." - comma after 1975?
"In 1979 Harris became the first" - comma after 1979?
"Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice's appointments as Secretary of State made them the highest-ranking African Americans in the United States presidential line of succession until the inauguration of President Barack Obama in 2009." I think this could be reworded, because Obama (as President) isn't in the line of succession to the Presidency.
"Administration" sorts by first name of the President, rather than last.
"The table below is organized based on the United States presidential line of succession." Unclear (particularly as it's a sortable table) and "organized based on" is poor.

What do you suggest?—Chris! _ct 03:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Numerical order represents the seniority of the Secretary in the United States presidential line of succession (Secretary of State being the most senior)." or something like that, perhaps? Bencherlite ^Talk 09:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The table below is organized based on the time of which the departments were first established." Ungrammatical ("organized based on", "the time of which") and unclear.

What do you suggest?—Chris! _ct 03:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The departments are listed in order of their establishment (earliest first)." (or something similar?) Bencherlite ^Talk 09:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does the table for defunct departments really need to be sortable when it only has one entry?
Notes section:
- (a to d) Shouldn't it say "The Department of the Treasury was established in 1789" etc? It seems odd to say "Secretary was established".
- What's happened to note e?!
- (f and g) Sentence should start with "The", i.e. "The Postmaster General"
- (h and i) I don't like "Secretary of War was defunct" - how about "The position of Secretary of War became defunct"? Same for Secretary of Commerce and Labor.

Everything else done except the two I replied above.—Chris! _ct 03:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bencherlite ^Talk 14:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All done—Chris! _ct 20:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, good work. Bencherlite ^Talk 17:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

"The United States Cabinet has had 16 African American appointed officers ~~in its history~~. "
Do you really need to link United States and Africa?
"prior to"-->before
"In 1979 Harris"-->In 1979, Harris
"African American Secretaries with four."-->African American Secretaries, with four.
"President Bill Clinton appointed seven African Americans to the Cabinet during his tenure, and President George W. Bush appointed four." Why did you mention these two presidents? Is there anything special about this?

Reworded—Chris! _ct 03:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Colin Powell official Secretary of State photo.jpg—the source link is dead.

Replaced—Chris! _ct 03:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dabomb87 (talk) 23:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Everything else done—Chris! _ct 03:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

What makes http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=97&page=transcript a reliable source?

It is a .gov site, which is a part of the US government.—Chris! _ct 03:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you use better sources than Encyclopaedia Britannica? Dabomb87 (talk) 23:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to find a better source.—Chris! _ct 03:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Did you find a replacement source? Dabomb87 (talk) 00:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced one of them. I kept the other one because it has another ref to supplement it.—Chris! _ct 02:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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