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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 22:23, 11 August 2009 [1].

List of cities and towns in Arizona

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Nominator(s): Shereth 16:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Round two for this particular list. I had submitted it a little over a year ago under another title (see Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of cities in Arizona/archive1 for the FLC discussion) and there were a few niggling issues that never quite got resolved. I'd like to think that the issues have been resolved since then. Over the year it has been relatively stable, with the exception of a merger from a related article that was largely redundant information and I think that's been taken care of by now. Feel free to take a look and pick it apart again, FLC folks :) Shereth 16:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)
General
Lead
  • I believe that linking the cities in the lead will not violate WP:OVERLINK because the links are related to the list itself and are not just random geographical links.
Municipal incorporation in Arizona
  • The population limit specified by the constitution was lowered by state law to a minimum of population of 1,500 for cities or towns, or 500 for communities located within 10 miles (16 km) of a national park or national monument. -- Wouldn't the or 500 be and 500?
  • Cities and towns in Arizona function in largely an identical manner, but cities are provided with a number of additional powers that a town charter does not provide, limited primarily to certain powers regarding the regulation of utilities and construction within the city limits. --> Cities and towns in Arizona function largely in an identical manner, but cities are provided with a number of additional powers that a town charter does not provide, limited primarily to certain powers regarding the regulation of utilities and construction within the city limits.
Footnotes
  • The municipal boundaries of Peoria, Apache Junction, Queen Creek and Sedona cross the county border into, respectively, Yavapai County, Maricopa County, Pinal County and Coconino County. The above table lists the primary county in which these cities and towns reside. -- The comma after respectively should be changed to a colon
  • What is CDP? You need to spell out the acronym in its first occurrence.
Resolved comments from Chrishomingtang

Comment

—Chris! ct 01:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • I have seen it both ways. The Census Bureau capitalizes the term [2]. I don't know that one way or another is "correct" but am open to advice. I am OK with putting more images in but I will need advice, as previously there were more cityscapes but I was told there were too many. Shereth 01:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, my first point can be ignored if both are correct. Also, the article have room for several more image in my opinion.—Chris! ct 04:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I've gone ahead and added a few more images. I'm trying to keep them relevant/informative rather than merely decorative, so feel free to provide input on whether this is the sort of thing you are looking for. Shereth 14:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comment The image needs alt text. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Easily fixed - and done! Shereth 20:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. However, the alt text needs to be improved. If people using a screen reader were to "read" that image (without looking at the caption), it would not mean much to them (this is what it looks like), as most people don't know what the skyline of Phoenix looks like. So, you have to describe the appearance rather than "interpret" it. Alt text is analagous to describing the image to a friend over the phone. Take a look at these examples. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How's [3]? Shereth 21:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, thanks! Dabomb87 (talk) 01:24, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) A nicely done list.

  • I think you could merge one or two paragraphs in the lead.
  • "Current census estimates put 5,218,713 of the state's 6,500,180 residents within" "Current" is vague and a dated term. What year?
  • "for a full 80.3% of the population." "full" is an unnecessary word.
  • "a municipal charter shall not be created by special laws or by the " "shall not" seems quaint and different from the rest of the prose. I suspect this was taken from the constituion. Use plainer English, such as "cannot".
  • "Currently, state law allows for the incorporation of a community as either a city or a town, with the only additional requirement to incorporate as a city is a minimum population of 3,000."-->State law allows for the incorporation of a community as either a city or a town; the only additional requirement for incorporation as a city is a minimum population of 3,000.
  • "with a number of additional powers that a town charter does not provide"
  • "State law allows adjoining towns to merge and it allows a city to annex a town, but it does not allow cities to merge. Additionally, a town may change its form of government to a city upon reaching the minimum population of 3,000." Where is the source for these statements?
  • "with over 200,000 residents" Prefer "more than" to "over", but not a big deal.
  • "Flagstaff is Arizona's highest city at 6,910 feet (2,110 m) elevation." "elevation" is unnecessary.
  • I'd like it if the population and incorporation year columns were centered, but it's not a dealbreaker.
  • In the table, some items have spaces between the footnotes and the term, while others don't. Make it consistent.
  • Instead of linking "county" in the table to the general article about US counties, why not link it to List of counties in Arizona (another featured list, I might add)?
  • For the population header, you should note that it is an estimate.
  • You should probably use two significant figures for the places whose areas were rounded to a whole number. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done, mostly. I do have a question about your last point: Are you asking for two significant figures, or are you looking for numbers rounded to two decimal places? Shereth 14:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Two sig figs. Example: Miami would be 1.0 sq mi instead of 1. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. Done. Shereth 15:55, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:11, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Mild oppose
  • I think linking the US Census would be valid in this context.
  • Just a nitpick - I think you could happily merge the second and third paragraphs of the lead - four paras is probably one too may for a list of this length.
  • Remove the space before ref 6 and ref 8.
  • Surprised that Dabomb87 let the redirects slide - pretty much 100% of your County's are redirected. You don't have to fix them on their own, but it would be good if you could fix them while you're fixing other things.
  • I think all numerical values should be consistent in the number of decimal places - in general you use one, but for Bullhead City (46), Chandler (58) you don't. There may be others.
  • Note c - you don't need to expand out to square miles again.
  • It might just be my poor eyes but I can barely make out that light pastel shade selected to identify county seats. It's personal, but I'd use a slightly bolder colour.

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • I think I took care of them. Let me know if the color still needs some adjustment, or if I missed one or two of the numbers, but I think I got them all. Shereth 17:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from SRE.K.A.L.24

Comments from -- SRE.K.A.L.24[c]

  • "Most of the population is concentrated within the Phoenix metropolitan area." Would be nice to include the amount.
  • "Unincorporated communities, such as Sun City and Anthem..." Why mention only those two?
  • In the "List of incorporated places in Arizona" section, the captions, except for the second image, are not referenced.
  • "Key: [green box] and [a] indicate that the listed city or town is a county seat." No need for that, since you already have a note for it. Just add the green box into note a.
  • IMO, it would be better renaming the section "List of incorporated places in Arizona" to just "Incorporated places in Arizona".
  • Would be nice to tell the readers if the incorporated place is a city or a town.
  • Would also be nice to include more images...

-- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 07:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Regarding the above points:
      • Phoenix Metro population added.
      • There are many dozens, if not hundreds (by some definitions) of unincorporated places in the state; I have picked two prominent ones as examples. If they are problematic they can be removed.
      • Most of these are simple statistical points easily verifiable in the articles linked to, but specific references can be added here if necessary. I will dig them up tomorrow.
      • I added the color-coded background as the footnotes might not be as easily distinguished on smaller monitors.
      • Section renamed.
      • City/town designations are of minimal importance in Arizona and I thought their addition would be information overload; the table already has a lot of data.
        • But the list is about cities and towns of Arizona...shouldn't you at least point out which one is a city, and which one is a town, even if they are of minimal importance. I think the area the probably the best column to remove, if you do add the designation of the area. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 20:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Relevant and useful images are not always easy to come by. Previous versions of this list were reviewed poorly for having too many "random" images that added little in the way of useful content. I will continue adding images as I find ones that are useful, but I won't be adding them merely for the sake of having more images.
    • That is what I've had a chance to take a look at thus far. Shereth 08:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Read last paragraph of the lead. Laugh out loud. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]] 06:21, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Linking to an article that should probably be deleted (it's nothing but a vertical category) isn't an excuse. There's few enough unincorporated cities listed on that article that the two could be merged. Larf. --Golbez (talk) 06:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Re Golbez - because there are no population statistics, no incorporation dates, and no physical areas for unincorporated places, they would irreparably break the tabular format of this article. Furthermore there is some dissent among various editors on Wikipedia as to what constitutes a "populated place", and by some definitions this could cause the list to become an almost unmaintainable collection of many hundreds of articles based on little more than a GNIS entry. For that purpose I've restricted the list to something that is both easily maintained and well-defined in its scope. Any attempt to create inclusion criteria involving unincorporated communities would be either purely subjective or unmaintainable and make a mess of this list.
Re SERKRAL - "Read last pargraph of the lead. Laugh out loud." Could you possibly be more specific in your description of what needs fixing? This comment is extremely unhelpful. Shereth 08:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For the county seats, there should only be the color and symbol with a key at the top, as you have, but it is excessive and redundant to have them all link to the note at the bottom saying the same thing as well. Reywas92Talk 18:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. See above and below. Shereth 04:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support Reywas92Talk 14:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Crzycheetah
  • Comments I may repeat some comments from above
    • "U.S." or "US"? Pick one...in the first paragraph of the lead
    • "as of 2009, there are 90..." or "as of 2008, there are 90..."? Pick one...first sentences of the first two paragraphs.
    • Mentioning two random localities (Sun City and Anthem) is POV, strongly suggest removing.
    • I agree with SREKAL and Reywas above that color should be used with a symbol instead of a note.
    • The key should not be small, by the way.
    • The portal link should be placed at the top of the section.
    • In the references: US Census Bureau? United States Census Bureau? Linked United States Census Bureau? Pick one
    • Arizona State Legislature is the publisher of the current refs## 5-11

--Crzycheetah 03:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment
There are a few discrepancies between the area column data and the accompanying source that need fixing, explaining or additional references.

  • Clifton is 14.98 on the source so rounded to 1 dp would be 15.0, currently 14.9.
  • Holbrook is 15.45 on the source so rounded to 1 dp would be 15.5, currently 15.4.
  • Marana is 73.56 on the source, currently 120.
  • Prescott is 37.31 on the source, currently 153.5.
  • Safford is 7.95 on the source so rounded to 1 dp would be 8.0, currently 7.9.

--Jpeeling (talk) 23:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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