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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Dabomb87 22:55, 19 January 2011 [1].

Melanie C discography

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Nominator(s): Tsange ►talk 18:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello all! I am nominating this for featured list for the second time as I have cleared up the issues given in the first nomination. Thanks! Tsange ►talk 18:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments by JohnFromPinckney:
    • A link to "the issues given in the first nomination" might have been nice. ;-)
    • Should the lead sentence include a more explicit connection between "Melanie Chisolm" and "Melanie C"?
    • In "...producing nine number one singles...", hyphenate the adjective as "number-one singles".
    • In "...certified a triple platinum...", strike the "a".
    • In "over 3 million albums worldwide", change the numeral to a word, per WP:ORDINAL.
    • In "the number one spot", hyphenate the adjective as "the number-one spot".
    • In "one top ten singles", change to "one top-ten single".
    • The sentence "It reached number twenty four in the UK" needs its number hyphenated. I also wonder whether it might better be connected to the previous text as a compound sentence.
    • "Chisholm's is to release a her fifth solo album in 2010" needs rewriting (or something).
    • I'd like to see closer conformance to WP:DISCOGSTYLE, especially the headings and links on the Certifications column, and the hidden column-heading markup for WP:ACCESS.
    • The certs column should not include territories for which peak postitions are not already shown.
    • In the DVDs section, I think "Contained" should be "Contains". Anyone else?
    • In the DVDs section, a comma should come after "England" in both rows (unless there's some British English exception I don't know about).
    • The intro text "Songs written by Melanie C for other artists," needs different closing punctuation.
    • The infobox link to "As featured artist" needs fixing somehow.
    • The Swiss refs for this English article could be the English version (swisscharts.com) rather than the German version (hitparade.ch).
— JohnFromPinckney (talk) 19:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Afkatk's comments below reminded me to look at the refs, which I hadn't done. Besides the date formats, I notice that at least some of the titles are invented, and don't match the page titles on the resources referenced. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 04:03, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - The rowspan on Music videos just makes the table unsortable, this issue needs to be resolved. There are inconsistencies with the date format used in the References. What makes Sugobar.com and mvdbase.com reliable? Afro (Nice Beaver) 23:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Though I was asked to re-review a week ago I refrained from revisiting since I hoped my comments would eventually be replied to especially regarding the references. Afro (Talk) 08:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments:
    • Massimo Di Cataldo - Sulla mia strada and Holly Valance - Footprints (album) unreferenced
    • Publisher of AUS, AUT, IRE, NL, NZ and SWI should only be Hung Medien
    • Lead could be a little bit bigger and better
    • "Never Be the Same Again" in the cert column NZ not linked to Recording Industry Association of New Zealand

This is all I could find. Regards-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 14:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Counter-comments: The publisher for the NL Mega Single Top 100 refs (dutchchart.nl) should in fact be "Hung Medien / hitparade.ch". The publisher for the NL Dutch Top 40 refs (www.top40.nl) should be "Stichting Nederlandse Top 40". Neither NL publisher should be just "Hung Medien". The publisher for NZ ref #27 should not mention Hung Medien at all, as it's a page on the RIANZ site. (I can't even tell what was meant by the "Never Be the Same Again" note above.) Several of the Australian refs are really ARIA pages, so Hung Medien shouldn't be listed as publisher for them either. A better lead is always good, but it's not clear why it needs to be bigger. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 00:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but I can't understand your English. The publishers are evident from the referenced pages (often at the bottom of the page). I do not know what a "rollback-bar" bar is. I don't know why you mentioned WP:GOODCHARTS. — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 03:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, I meant a drop-down list. I meant, that "NZ" in the 4th row of the "singles" section and in the certification column, "never be the same again", should be linked to [[Recording Industry Association of New Zealand]]. Regards.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 09:53, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I see no drop-down lists in this article nor in WP:GOODCHARTS.
Be that as it may, the "NZ" in the Certs column for "I Turn to You" in the Singles table should be removed entirely and not linked to anything, as NZ is not a chart for which the table lists peaks, and consensus is not to list certs for such charts (per WP:INDISCRIMINATE). — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 05:08, 22 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have cleared up most of the issues given above. Tsange ►talk 19:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Revisit by JohnFromPinckney:
    • In "known by here stage name" replace "here" with "her".
    • In "the group took a "indefinite hiatus" so members" the "a" should be "an". If the "indefinite hiatus" is a quote from somewhere, it should be attributed, and if not, the quotes (and probably "indefinite") should be removed.
      • The above item begs the question of whether we even need that second paragraph. What does it tell us about Melanie C's solo discography? Aww, mm, the more I think about this, I think it's not so bad. It points to the Spice Girls discog, which is proper, and leads us to the solo stuff quickly enough.
    • Some quantity still needs fixing in "produced one top-ten singles".
    • Last lead sentence "Chisholm was due to release her fifth solo album in 2010, this has now been put forward to sometime in 2011" is a run-on. Either replace the comma with a semicolon after "2010", or split into two sentences. Also, the sense seems reversed to me; **I would say "pushed back" or "delayed" rather than "put forward".
    • It seems that nothing has been done regarding conformance to WP:DISCOGSTYLE, especially the headings and links on the Certifications column, and the hidden column-heading markup for WP:ACCESS.
    • The certs listed for "Never Be the Same Again" would be better in the same order as for "I Turn to You", namely that of the charts in the columns.
    • The note at the bottom of the Music videos table looks funny with a bold C and a bullet. Also, its link up in the table would be better on the title "We Love To Entertain You", IMHO, instead of in empty space where the director is missing. And why is it "C" and not, say, "A"?
    • Comma still missing after "England" in DVDs table.
    • You've changed the Swiss refs to the English versions but the citations still say "(in German)".
    • The date formats for all of the references should be consistent. I see four formats in use right now, and I think one of them isn't even valid. You need to pick one and just use that.
    • Still: All of the references need review and correction where they are wrong. A large number of them appear to have made-up titles. The publisher for Ref #10 is still wrong. Ref #5 could mention the video itself.
— JohnFromPinckney (talk) 11:30, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hello JohnFromPinckney I have fixed all the issues you mentioned above. Apart from the ones relating to WP:DISCOGSTYLE and WP:ACCESS as I am unsure what needs to be done. Also how is the publisher for ref 10 wrong as dutchcharts.nl is published by Hung Medien? Tsange ►talk 19:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Tsange. For ref #10, if you look at the bottom of the dutchcharts.nl page, you see that the Dutch site (like the Belgian site) is an exception to the Hung Medien-is-the-publisher rule for these sites. For ref 10, the publisher should be "Hung Medien / hitparade.ch".
BTW, I see you've already changed some of the dates, but you still have a few in the form " 01 January 2011", with an extra zero.
Is "an hiatus" British English? As an AmE-speaker I'd say "a hiatus", but the article's in BrE.
The "sometime " at the end of the lead should be "some time".
Comma still missing after "England" in DVDs table.
That's all the time I have for a quick check now, but keep working on it. Good luck! — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 12:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done! Im unsure whether it is "an" or "a" but I do agree that "a" does sound better so I have changed it. Tsange ►talk 20:12, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have left messages on some of the reviewer talkpages. Tsange ►talk 19:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • Comma needed before "better known.."
  • What does "As featured artist" in the infobox refer to? Is it a "singles as a featured artist"?
  • No need for "see Spice Girls discography" in the lead prose. That's what a See also section is for.
  • The hiatus sentence needs reference. And "so members could" reads clumsily for me.
  • "Canadian rocker" is not quite encyclopedic, Canadian is fine, but "rocker" is a bit tabloidy.
  • You have "platinum" (uncapitalised) in the lead, but Platinum (capitalised) in the tables. Be consistent.
  • Usually a good idea to link the first "platinum" or whatever to record certifications article.
  • Odd one this, the article is called "Melanie C discography" but you continually refer to her as Chisholm throughout, even though you say she's better known as "Melanie C" in the opening sentence...
  • "only one of which charting at number ten." do you mean "only one of which charted, at number ten"?
  • And it's only true that it only charted at 10 in the UK, it appears to have charted elsewhere. And the other two charted outside the UK...
  • In the albums section, you do certifications like this : "UK: Gold". In the singles section, you do it like this : "Gold (UK)" - be consistent.
  • Where is Let's Love and Understand referenced? These didn't chart anywhere so the various chart references don't show them....
  • Jamie Vickery is not referenced.
  • Misc section, I see spaced hyphens which should be en-dashes per WP:DASH.
  • Also need to fix hyphens in the titles of some references.

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the issues you have mentioned above apart from two. I can't find a good enough reference for music video melt director. The only one I can find is this one [2], but it seems to be a fan-site. Also how can I find references for songs that didn't chart? I took a look some other featured discographies with this issue and none of them have references. Is it not ok to assume that if it isn't listed on music chart websites it didn't chart? Tsange ►talk 19:41, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also for the format of the certifications collums in singles & albums I followed WP:DISCOGSTYLE. Tsange ►talk 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As for the ref you suggested, a fansite is okay as long as it meets WP:RS but most won't. References for songs that didn't chart are needed and are present for recently promoted FLs. If you don't reference them, what actually proves they ever existed? As for the certification format and DISCOGSTYLE, that's crazy, why use two different ways of denoting certifications in different sections? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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