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Nominator(s): Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 17:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I went all of June without nominating anything to FLC, so here's a second July nom to compensate 🤠 The 1995 Pacific hurricane season was the quietest in 16 years and heralded the start of an era of lower activity for the basin (some particularly active seasons during the 2010s be damned). Even so, the season still featured three Category 4 hurricanes on the Saffir–Simpson scale (out of only 10 storms overall, which I'd say is a rather impressive ratio), as well as the deadly Hurricane Ismael, whose name was retired the following spring. "Only" a Category 1 at its peak intensity, Ismael used the element of surprise as a weapon, thrusting itself into the Gulf of California and onto the Mexican coast sooner than anticipated. As a result, many on land and at sea were unprepared for the storm, and over 100 people were killed. I do have another nomination currently open, but it already has a couple supports, and there are presently no concerns that have not been addressed. As always, I look forward to the community's feedback, and will aim to rectify any qualms as quickly as possible. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 17:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by AndrewPeterT

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Hello, Dylan. I plan on commenting on both this nomination and your other active nomination further shortly. For now, I will note that there is a red link to what should be the article for the timeline on the 1996 Pacific hurricane season in the lede navigation box. Are there plans to create this article in the near future? If not, I would suggest adding a redirect link to the timeline on the main 1996 Pacific hurricane season article.

Also, while only tangentially related to this subject, the name that replaced Ismael (i.e. Israel), had to be itself removed because of negative reception (which given current events, makes one wonder how no one even thought about those negative implications until half a decade later). AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 23:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Andrew, it's good to see you! I'll switch out the link shortly – I do intend to create a timeline for the 1996 season in the near-ish future, but I'm not quite sure what near-ish is because there are other projects I have in the pipeline. As for the Ismael–Israel issue (which I agree with you is utterly baffling), I thought about including it, but just didn't quite think it was relevant enough to mention in the lede. The paragraph where Ismael's impacts are described is already pretty beefy, and I wanted to make sure I had room to mention Flossie and Henriette's impacts, too. I see you also have an FLC up – I'll be sure to take a look in the next couple days or so! Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 00:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @AndrewPeterT, just following up on this since you left a comment about your intents. No pressure! Hey man im josh (talk) 16:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the ping. I plan on having comments by the end of the day next Monday, September 2. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 21:17, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Specific feedback - Oppose (edited 01:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)) until comments are resolved

@Dylan620: Here is what I noticed going through the list:

  1. For the satellite images of Adolph, Barbara, Erick, Flossie, and Henriette, their source link sends me to a dead link.
  2. For the satellite image of Cosme, the source link takes me to a sign-in page where the photo is not visible.
  3. For the satellite image of Ismael, I am taken to this search database, where I (and presumably others) do not know how to locate the photo.
  4. Regarding

    the final, Hurricane Juliette, dissipated on September 26, making this season the first since the beginning of the satellite era in which no tropical cyclones were active after September

    in the lede: The cited source only establishes that the 1995 season was the first in the satellite era without an October eastern Pacific tropical cyclone. I would recommend rewriting this sentence or finding another source that explicitly supports this claim (although I do believe it is true).
    I've added a citation to HURDAT. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Regarding

    Flossie in August remained off the coast of Mexico but passed close enough to cause gusty winds and flooding rains; seven people died ... An eighth death occurred after Flossie helped generate severe thunderstorms and flash floods in Arizona

    in the lede: This seems like WP:UNDUE weight of Hurricane Flossie's impacts, especially considering that the storm never made landfall. Perhaps simply stating that Flossie caused eight fatalities would suffice?
    I've been thinking about this, and I just can't agree that there is an issue with undue weight here. Flossie may not have made landfall, but it was still the only storm not named Ismael to cause fatalities during the season, and while it wasn't terribly destructive, it still caused non-negligible damage in Mexico and Arizona. I felt like it was appropriate to structure the impacts paragraph so that roughly half of it discussed Ismael, with Flossie and Henriette each getting a quarter. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 19:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Regarding

    Tropical Depression Adolph is last noted as a tropical cyclone about 320 mi (520 km) south-southwest of the southern tip of the Baja California peninsula; it dissipates shortly thereafter

    in the June 21 section: This sentence is missing a period at the end.
    D'oh! I've no clue how I missed this. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Regarding Barbara's descriptions in the July 17 and July 18 sections: Is there a way that these coordinates can be reported in terms of distance from somewhere in Hawaii (e.g. Hilo, Hawaii)? I ask because nowadays, the Central Pacific Hurricane Center tends to report tropical cyclone distances from the Hawaiian islands as opposed to Mexico in their advisories.
    I've added citations to the CPHC's post-season report to support using Hilo as a location reference point. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Regarding

    Tropical Depression Seven-E forms from a large and "monsoon-like" area of low pressure about 310 mi (500 km) west-southwest of Acapulco, Guerrero

    in the August 7 section: The cited source notes that the "monsoon-like" mode of formation means that tropical waves are not the primary large-scale forcing. Furthermore, the source mentions that Seven-E (i.e. Hurricane Flossie) formed within a low-pressure area and a large, deep cyclonic circulation. Could this entry be reworded to better account for this information?
    I've rephrased this to an area of low pressure within a broad region of cyclonic rotation. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Finally, and more generally, is there a way that the abbreviations used can be linked to their "full" form per MOS:SOURCEABBR? For example, mi is used consistently in the list's body, but there is no explicit language relating it to mile(s), as used in the lede.
    I've attempted to address this by piping links to mile and kilometer on each first usage of mi or km in a given month. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In general, this list is very well-organized and provides a comprehensive yet accessible understanding of the 1995 Pacific hurricane season. However, the fact that every satellite image has sourcing concerns is enough for me to withhold my support at this time per #5(b) of WP:FLCR. Once my feedback, especially the first three points, is addressed, I look forward to supporting this nomination. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 22:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Andrew, thank you for the constructive criticism. I'm off to bed because I have work early in the morning, but (I think) I have already addressed a few of your concerns—specific replies inline. I'll resume with the rest tomorrow, including contacting the uploaders of the satellite images. Unfortunately, many of the best satellite images on Commons seem to be from limited-access sources; I don't know how to access them, either. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 23:57, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AndrewPeterT: OK, so I reached out to the uploaders and they either provided me with updated URLs or fixed the links themselves, so that issue should now be resolved. The images that can readily be seen by searching the sites provide rather oblique/tilted views of the EPAC tropical cyclones because the satellites aren't positioned directly above the storms. At this discussion, one of the uploaders (courtesy ping CooperScience) explained their process for making the images so that there was an overhead view of each storm. They downloaded satellite data in the form of tarballs, and (based on the summary tags of the Commons uploads) superimposed that data over NOAA imagery of the terrain, showing what the storm looked like from directly overhead. I can only assume that a similar process was applied for the other satellite images. In other words, those sites do not contain the images as they appear on Commons, but they do provide the satellite data that was used to render the images (though I don't know what external program[s] would be used to superimpose the data). I hope this assuages your concerns about the sourcing for the satellite images. I have also finished replying to your other, prose-related comments: I acted on most, but there was one that I didn't feel would be an improvement. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 00:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dylan620: Thank you for addressing my feedback. At this time, I feel that you have adequately resolved my concerns. Therefore, I now support this nomination. Good luck with the rest of the process! AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 01:57, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comments by Alavense

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  • Does Equator really need to be uppercase?
    • I had long thought "the Equator" to be a proper noun in this context, and am picking up mixed signals as to which case it should be in. On one hand, the Google Books Ngram Viewer indicates that "the equator" is more common in literature; on the other hand, when I checked the MOS for direct guidance, it was capitalized on the only usage I could find (see MOS:SEASON). This discussion from a couple years ago didn't seem to reach a consensus as to whether one was more appropriate than the other. I've erred on the side of the Ngram and de-capitalized the word. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 20:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • an average Pacific hurricane season generated 15 tropical storms, eight hurricanes, and four major hurricanes - As per MOS:NUMNOTES: "Comparable values nearby one another should be all spelled out or all in figures, even if one of the numbers would normally be written differently".
  • Ditto for only 11 tropical depressions developed, of which 10 strengthened into named tropical storms. Seven became hurricanes, of which three further intensified into major hurricanes.
  • I think it would come in handy to have links to hurricanes, depressions and so on in the captions. What do you think?

That's what I saw. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 07:49, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback, Alavense – I think I've addressed everything. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 20:22, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the edits, Dylan620, and good work. Support. Alavense (talk) 07:09, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source check by IntentionallyDense

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It doesn't look like anyone has done a Source check for this article yet so I will be doing so. I'm going to do this in a table format and update as I go, as that is what is easiest for me. IntentionallyDense (talk) 11:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source Check
Section Status Sources I can't access Comments
Lead In progress
Time In progress "06:00 UTC (11:00 p.m. PDT, May 20) at 13.2°N 104.2°W – Tropical Depression One-E forms from an Intertropical Convergence Zone disturbance about 405 mi (650 km) south of Manzanillo, Colima; it simultaneously attains peak winds of 35 mph (55 km/h)."

Your source says the winds only reached 30mph. Source also says that it was 350 mi south. IntentionallyDense (talk) 11:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The winds in the NHC's reports are listed in knots, not mph; 30 knots * 1.151 = 34.53 mph, which rounds to 35. Distances are also given in nautical miles instead of statute miles; 350 nmi * 1.151 = 402.85 miles, which rounds to 405. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 20:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your source doesn't support the "about 525 mi (845 km) southwest of Manzanillo, Colima" and "about 815 mi (1,315 km) west-southwest of Manzanillo, Colima". Were these numbers reached based on the coordinates given or am I missing something? IntentionallyDense (talk) 11:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The NHC's website provides a latitude/longitude distance calculator, which I used to calculate the distances between the location points provided in the NHC's reports and the coordinates of each city or geographic landmark as provided at the top of the Wikipedia article for the reference point in question (in this case, Manzanillo, Colima). Bearing was ascertained by repeating the process with this script. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 20:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"755 mi (1,215 km) south-southeast of the southern tip of the Baja California peninsula"

Your source doesn't mention the exact location or peninsula part. Was that again based on coordinates? IntentionallyDense (talk)

Yeah, I used the coordinates provided for the Cabo San Lucas article, just tweaked slightly (22.875°N, 109.96°W) so I could get as close as I could to the exact southern tip of the peninsula. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 20:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to stop for now as I'm a bit confused about how you are getting specific number that the sources don't have. IntentionallyDense (talk) 11:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for picking this up IntentionallyDense – I've responded inline to the feedback you've given so far. Dylan620 (he/him • talk • edits) 20:21, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for replying. I don’t think it’s a good idea for me to go ahead with this source check just because I lack knowledge in this area and I don’t think I can properly evaluate the sources if I can’t interpret them. Sorry for any confusion. IntentionallyDense (talk) 21:38, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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