Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Blanche Roosevelt

Blanche Roosevelt

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 15 Mar 2024 at 04:10:27 (UTC)

Reason: A fine photograph of a notable actress. I think I've said before that I decide whether to crop the cabinet card mount based on the amount of detail (they can range from blank to elaborate signatures and captions), the state of the card mount, and, sometimes, whether we want the card mount for the photographer's article. The mount was pretty mangled in this copy; cut to a weird shape with scissors or something. I didn't think I could accurately fix Mora's mangled signature, so I cropped to the photo. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 04:12, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Articles in which this image appears: Blanche Roosevelt
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Entertainment
Creator: José Maria Mora, restored by Adam Cuerden

Support both as nominator – Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 04:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support Charlesjsharp (talk) 12:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support~~ – Detail average for late 19th C., but interesting bio article on a woman who was an opera singer, author and journalist. – Sca (talk) 15:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Now support either image. See below.~~ -- Sca (talk) 13:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Struck this vote to avoid double counting. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 21:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aye. Also, much better than anything we had before, which is a point in its favour, albeit not enough on its own to promote an image. dp.la has a Napoleon Sarony portrait which has its charms as well; might try to bring that one over so we at least have her at a second angle. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.9% of all FPs.} 16:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I did, and, since it was in good condition, restored it as well: File:Blanche Roosevelt by Napoleon Sarony.jpg. Can really see the focal plane in that one, but at least it's well-positioned. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.9% of all FPs.} 16:28, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That one's very nice, too, because of the angle of the comp. -- Sca (talk) 19:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. If we were a little more willing to promote two similar images... Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.9% of all FPs.} 20:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I sorta prefer the other pose, but I guess the first one has more detail. -- Sca (talk) 22:28, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support either – Bammesk (talk) 03:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prefer original, initially I preferred the Alt, but the more I look at the original, the more I like it. Bammesk (talk) 15:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Alt – 🐱FatCat96🐱 Chat with Cat 03:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt – Hamid Hassani (talk) 04:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support either one~~, per discussion above. – Sca (talk) 13:54, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support both Moonreach (talk) 16:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support either. MER-C 17:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support original. (The hair does it for me.) But I do not oppose the alt. Choliamb (talk) 01:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support.--Vulcan❯❯❯Sphere! 07:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Adam Cuerden: Currently both images have 8 supports and it is impossible to determine which image should be promoted without additional input from the participants of the discussion. Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 16:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Armbrust:, would it help if I simply cancelled my support for the orig? Or is it too late for something like that? -- Sca (talk) 13:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Armbrust: That's what I feared. I presume promoting both isn't an option? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.9% of all FPs.} 17:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extend the nom, prolly. Or ping the participants for consensus. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, for the record, I slightly prefer the first, especially as - presuming both are going to be in the article - the alt should probably be the second due to the "face text when possible" rule, and, honestly, the fadeout of her below the shoulders in the second, while common in the time period, seems to go a little too far, like the fade out was meant for an oval mount, but wasn't mounted in one, so it ends a little too abruptly - maybe that's just me. They're both good images, mind, and we could call them a set, but I didn't nominate it as such. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.9% of all FPs.} 03:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Armbrust and Adam Cuerden: I see 7 supports for the Alt, not 8. Charles, Choliamb, and VulcanSphere clearly did not support the Alt. VulcanSphere clearly could have supported the Alt, as did 6 editors prior, but they did not. We shouldn't second guess their vote. On a different note, my vote above now indicates a preference. Bammesk (talk) 15:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, let's do this properly. @Charlesjsharp, Sca, Moonreach, MER-C, and VulcanSphere: Would you please state your preferences? I've only pinged those who haven't voted unambiguously for one option; add pings if I missed anyone. (I left out Bammesk because he commented already). Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.9% of all FPs.} 19:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really do support both, but if rules force this to be an either/or situation then I pick the alt, and I'll leave a new vote to affirm that at the bottom. Moonreach (talk) 19:26, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bammesk My opinion regarding this is, that if someone says "support" at a time an alternative wasn't added yet, that only applies to the original, but if it's added after the alt is already present, than it applies for both. Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Armbrust: Ok, that's your opinion. You are saying that your definition of support changes during the 10-day course of a nomination. I think that's a bad idea. It's not in the WP:FPC instructions or FP criteria, and I am not aware of any discussion or consensus that allows for changing the definition of 'support' midway a nomination. The onus is on the voters to express themselves. When a voter doesn't express themselves in regard to an Alternate image, we shouldn't assume that they have expressed themselves, by "changing the definition of support" midway a nomination. Regards. Bammesk (talk) 03:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Alt – unambiguously. – Sca (talk) 14:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt if this has to be an either/or situation. If we're allowed to try to promote both pictures at once, I'd still like to do that. Moonreach (talk) 19:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this is a tie or stalemate, perhaps we could ask @Armbrust: to cast the deciding vote. He's certainly got the the requsite experience. -- Sca (talk) 14:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Blanche Roosevelt by Napoleon Sarony.jpg --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The original has 6 supports and the alt has 8. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 19:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for working through this situation with us, Armbrust. -- Sca (talk) 00:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, thank you. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.9% of all FPs.} 03:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ At least, in the first public performance. There was a hastily done private performance in the UK to try to gain two countries' copyright

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