Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/The Hunting of the Snark

Hunting of the Snark - Plates 1–10

Plate I - Illustration of the opening of Fit the First of Lewis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark.
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Plate II - Illustration of the crew, as seen in Fit the First.
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Plate III - End of Fit the First.
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Plate IV - The Bellman's Map: Fit the Second.
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Plate V - Fit the Third:
"But oh, beamish nephew, beware of the day,
If your Snark be a Boojum! For then
You will softly and suddenly vanish away,
And never be met with again!"
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Plate VI - Fit the Fifth:
They sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care;
They persued it with forks and hope;
They threatened its life with a railway-share;
They charmed it with smiles and soap.
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Plate VII - Fit the Fifth:
The Beaver brought paper, portfolio, pens,
And ink in unfailing supplies:
While strange creepy creatures came out of their dens,
And watched them with wondering eyes.
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Plate VIII - Fit the Sixth: The Barrister's Dream.
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Plate IX - Fit the Seventh: The Banker's Fate. After being attacked by a Bandersnatch:
He was black in the face, and they scarcely could trace
The least likeness to what he had been:
While so great was his fright that his waistcoat turned white--
A wonderful thing to be seen!
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Plate X - Fit the Tenth
In the midst of the word he was trying to say
In the midst of his laughter and glee,
He had softly and suddenly vanished away--
For the Snark was a Boojum, you see.
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Reason: These engravings were created with Lewis Carroll's assistance and approval, which makes them have very high encyclopedic value for the poem. They are all restored images. See above for the rest. This is a featured picture set nomination.

Articles this image appears in: The Hunting of the Snark
Creator: Henry Holiday, image uploaded and retouched by Commons:User:Adam Cuerden at Commons This credit was missed, so I'm adding it.Caspian blue 00:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support as nominator --Ottava Rima (talk) 01:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment please state clearly in the nomination that these are restored images and provide links to the corresponding unrestored filenames. Durova^{273 featured contributions} 02:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question Is this a nomination for a Featured Picture Set? Please make that clear in the nom.--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 15:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. :) Durova^{273 featured contributions} 16:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The arrangement of the images is not good for viewers, l would you reduce the image sizes a bit and rearrange them for better looking? But overall those are interesting and good in shape.--Caspian blue 05:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The images are currently arranged in order, as the set would also follow in the order (as intended as illustrations for the poem). What size would you suggest that they be changed to? The current size fits within my browser with extra space (2 per line). Is this different for other browsers? Ottava Rima (talk) 16:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe a gallery would be more helpful. This takes up a lot of space. wadester 16 20:30, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Discussions on the format moved to the talk page since I have no reason to bear Ottava Rima's incivility.--Caspian blue 01:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just to let you know, Featured Sets usually don't go over well. I'm not saying this because I don't want to close a set, just giving you the historical heads up. You may be better off doing these one by one. Dropping 10 in one nom, when it's sometimes hard to get enough votes on one image, probably won't work well. Theoretically, a reviewer must devote 10 times as much time into reviewing this than a regular nom. Sometimes it's just too much. (BTW, while I appreciate the humor in Plate IV, I feel it has little chance of passing...) Oh, and by a gallery, I meant <gallery>...</gallery> wadester 16 03:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They are a set and only have historical value as a set. And if Plate IV doesn't past, then the set is disrupted. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair enough. Just offering my 2¢. Note we have many engravings from novels that appear alone; typically they give the best overview of the piece of writing. But it's your decision. wadester 16 04:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done Put into gallery. I couldn't get the poetry to work - it doesn't like HTML line breaks - but the text is still there for someone else to clean up. HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 15:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The poetry part was the reason why it wasn't converted to gallery, by the way. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:55, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Durova²⁷³ 17:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There, I've fixed the damn thing so the poetry displays. However, I don't really feel like coming back to FPC yet, so I'm not going to vote. Unless this entire page gets filled with even more arguing and idiocy over picture arrangement - It runs for a week, people. Endless manipulation of the gallery format, at the cost of actual reviews, is neither useful, nor helpful. - in which case, I shall vote to have all of you hit in the face with a pie. Every day. For the rest of your lives. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 18:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks much better; thanks. Oh, and I prefer blueberry. wadester 16 18:25, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support –Juliancolton | ^Talk 23:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Delightful set.--ragesoss (talk) 14:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Pictures don't have great EV in the article. They aren't really integrated well at all. There's probably enough EV for some of them, but not enough to promote the whole lot. These would no doubt fare better if only the best was nominated. Makeemlighter (talk) 03:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as how there is a section devoted to "illustrations" and they are a set that can only be understood in a whole and are a possible aid in understanding a very complex poem (as pointed out in the article), I question if you have actually looked at the article. As such, your oppose is negated as not actually dealing with the reality of the situation. Ottava Rima (talk) 12:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Really? I did look at the article before I voted, and I stand by my comments. All those pictures in that section are quite distracting. The section isn't really about the illustrations anyway; rather, it's about whether the illustrations are faithful to the text. Like I said, one or two of them probably have the exceptional EV required to be FP, but not all of them. Plate 4, for example, certainly doesn't add to the article. Makeemlighter (talk) 22:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's a section discussing the illustrations - which were published witht he first edition and almost every edition thereafter until modern times (when publishing books stripped of their illustrations became common) but you don't feel that having all the original illustrations, compiled with Lewis Carroll's approval, adds encyclopedic value, adds encyclopedic value? Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Plate 4 is 100% essential to the text - the author wanted that plate because it shows the humor and carries the levity into the illustrations. It distinguishes the pictures as an addition to the work that compliments it and not just mimics it. The illustrations are obviously notable on their own and as a set. Ottava Rima (talk) 22:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Props to Showmaker's Holiday. NW (Talk) 19:01, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted set --wadester 16 05:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]