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Le Cid

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Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux
From Jules Massenet's Le Cid (1885). Sung by Marguerite Sylva in 1910 for Edison Records.

A fine recording, done during the composer's lifetime. Marguerita Sylva, a.k.a Marguerite Sylva, was good enough to star at the Opéra-Comique in Paris [1], and that's good enough for me. =)

Le Cid is not Massenet's most popular opera, but it has a large, detailed Wikipedia article that is vastly improved by the addition of this sound. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 15:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nominate and support. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 15:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Weak oppose as non-notable. Not only does Marguerita Sylva lack an article - she's only mentioned once in another WP article (The Fortune Teller). She's not, for example, in the The Record of Singing. It would be far better to concentrate on notable singers, for whom we have articles. (The recording itself is fine. I'd withdraw my oppose if someone can produce a decent article.) --Kleinzach 06:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC) Changing my vote to support now we have an article - but Shoemaker's Holiday, please don't spam this file over multiple pages. Leave it on the biography! --Kleinzach 23:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • There appear to be plenty of sources, but I'm not quite sure why the presence of a Wikipedia article should affect the quality of her performance, or her notability =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 07:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not only does an article provide the best place to locate the sound file, but it is also - among other things - a WP-related proof of notability. Did I really need to explain this? WP is an encyclopedia not a podcast. --Kleinzach 23:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I think we're coming at this from different perspectives. I come from these things from the perspective of the operas and composers, you from that of the singers. I think that if the recording illustrates the opera well, then it has a home, and adding more information, such as information on the singer, is a bonus. Likewise, if a highly notable singer's only recording does not have an article on the song or opera, I don't see that as a problem either. By creating the pages on the other half, the file becomes more valuable, but does not lose all value because it is only currently doing one of the possible rôles. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Oh come on. . . Most of these early recordings can only be appreciated by people who already know the operas. The listener needs to have some aural imagination. That's why they are not appropriate for composer pages. --Kleinzach 12:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I can't vote as I don't have the ogg thingy on my PC, but if others approve of the sound quality, I'd be all in favour of it being a FS. I've just written Marguerite Sylva so the file can have a "home". A very interesting lady! In general terms, I think it's important for readers to have an article which contextualizes the artist they are listening to and would suggest that this be an important criteria to consider when assigning FS status in the future. Best wishes and thanks to Shoemaker's Holiday for all their hard work, Voceditenore (talk) 21:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support All the raised issues are solved in my mind. Zginder 2008-10-07T22:42Z (UTC)


Promoted Massenet - Le Cid - Pleurez, pleurez, mes yeux.ogg. --MZMcBride (talk) 07:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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