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Communist Party of China

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Result: Delisted. No progress for more than 2 months after editors identified deficiencies vs. the GA criteria. (t · c) buidhe 18:18, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is primarily authored by a single editor, who is now ex-communicated for POV-pushing, edit-warring, socking, incivility, etc.

The article is marred by its insistence to always let the CCP have the final word, only allowing for the most superficial criticism of the party. There is next to nothing about its draconian anti-insurgency measures or violent crackdown on political dissidents, let alone its Orwellian surveillance apparatuses and concentration camps in Xinjiang. We don't have the luxury to allow such an important article to completely lose its track and spiral away in abstract MLM-theory and bureaucratic jargon. Nutez (talk) 05:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're overstating the scope of this article. The activities of the CPC you describe are quite extensively covered in other articles, such as Xinjiang re-education camps, Government of China, China, Human rights in China, Cultural genocide of Uyghurs, et cetera. The article should, and is, about the structure, history, ideology, members, and governance of the CPC.

Similarly, I'm not sure of the basis of your apparent fears that the article spiral away in abstract MLM-theory and bureaucratic jargon, considering the article necessarily must use both, by nature of its subject. Jargon can certainly be explained and minimised, but to criticise an article for too much MLM theory when it is about a MLM party is absurd. One last question: when you say The article is marred by its insistence to always let the CCP have the final word, only allowing for the most superficial criticism of the party, could you give some examples? This is an important criticism and I would be grateful to hear it in detail. Danke. Acalycine (talk) 07:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would say the article as currently written doesn't qualify as GA and might be disruptive, I searched for Shuanggui and its only to be found in the CCP template so we have a big problem here. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:47, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive in what way? What parts of the original review are flawed exactly? Are you saying Shanggui should be included in the article too? Acalycine (talk) 01:34, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If Shuanggui isnt included it doesnt pass 3a. Thats a core topic. The GA assessment was also in 2014, there have been thousands of edits to the page since. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 15:55, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing the edit history it appears that User:Trust Is All You Need edited the page for a number of years in a manner contrary to WP:OWN. I see prolonged disputes with at least a dozen different editors which Trust Is All You Need gets their way by staying in the game longer not having the stronger argument. Trust Is All You Need is blocked for extreme disruptive editing and quotes such as this one "I will destroy it, and I will get my version on that fucking article.” They have authorship of 59.8% of the current article. Thats a massive problem, we probably need a rewrite. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 16:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Trust Is All You Need also appears to be the reason the article is currently a GA, they appear to have bullied MrWooHoo (who is no longer active) into changing their original review. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 16:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me like the article is too centered around the party's theoretical ideology (e.g. lede, para. 3:'the Party is committed to communism') and doesn't give enough weight to the concrete applications and consequences of the ideology or to CCP actions that don't follow propaganda points. No GA Doanri (talk) 14:45, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, we already have Ideology of the Communist Party of China etc to cover ideology. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 15:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would heavily disagree with parts of these criticisms, but agree with some. The previous editor does in-fact look problematic, but this of course does not entail an automatic deranking of the article. I have preceded that par 3. line with Officially, it seemed quite biased. However, I don't think that the 'theoretical ideology' of the Party is too central in the article. We do have Ideology of the Communist Party of China, but this does not mean this article should not include a smaller summary of the ideology, which it does. Regarding Shuanggui, I would agree that it should be included here, but I wouldn't necessarily say this precludes the article from meeting 3a - I don't see how a party disciplinary process is core in this sense. We should include it in Governance/Organisation. Regarding the weight of 'concrete applications' and 'consequences', what are some subject areas that we think should have greater weight? Using the same reasoning as Horse Eye Jack's criticisms of ideology being central, I would say that we already have articles on subjects such as Mao's Cultural Revolution and other policies. In saying that, the History section does seem heavily focused on the post-Mao period, which is a drawback. Also, in reference to CCP actions that don't follow propaganda points, can you provide some examples? This would definitely be a cause of concern. Can we have some more references to the original review's criteria and how the current content of the article differs from it? Thanks. Acalycine (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]