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Steak

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There are several uncited statements and paragraphs throughout the article, some sections are underdeveloped, such as "Production", "Australia", "Ireland" and "Opposition", and the lead does not cover all aspects of the article text. Z1720 (talk) 03:48, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited: massively.

Small subsections: merged several within 'Marketing and sales', there's easily enough coverage of this side-issue here. Similarly merged within 'Cultural significance'. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead: needs to be rewritten.

Oppose

Needs work.

The lead claims that hamburgers are made of minced steak, but in fact they can be made of any minced beef meat.

It didn't, it said they could be, but I've removed the mention anyway.

The etymology section is factually correct, but confusing and needs to be rewritten.

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It is bizarre to say "Livestock for meat to be used as steak cuts may be raised on a farm or ranch." in the steak article, since this is true for any cut of beef.

Removed.

"In Asian countries" seems to be referring to East Asia, which is not all of Asia. It isn't clear that beef strips or cubes used for stir-frying should be referred to as steak, anyway.

Removed.

"In Argentina, steakhouses are referred to as parrillas" is at best misleading, since parrillas serve many kinds of roasted meat.

Removed; it had been properly sourced but may have been a partial paraphrase.

"Beefsteak has been categorized into various cuts." is poorly phrased. I think this means "Various cuts of beef are used for steak."

Fixed.

""Surf and turf", which combines meat and fish, requires more time to prepare." is a strange comment. Doesn't this belong in a section on serving, along with prawn cocktail, steak and Black Forest gateau?

Removed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"a beefsteak shaped into a patty to be cooked after being minced" is a strange way to put it. More like "beef may be minced and formed into a patty for cooking".

Fixed.

I am not sure that hamburger steak, salisbury steak, etc. qualify as steak even though they use the name. --Macrakis (talk) 17:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed.

Oppose (continued)

When did steak become popular in various places? The current article suffers from extreme presentism. The "steakhouse" section mentions chophouses (good) but not how they relate to steakhouses.

The Delmonico steak section directly contradicts the Delmonico steak article. Here, it is a "method of preparation" prepared Delmonico style (never defined), while there it is explicitly defined as a "cut, not its preparation". Which is it? Do we have any WP:RS?

"Hundreds of restaurants specialize in serving steak" -- where did this number come from? Does it refer to some particular geography? There are probably tens of thousands in the US.

The article lurches from one subject to another without a clear organization. --Macrakis (talk) 02:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More...

Where is bistecca alla fiorentina? Apparently introduced by Brits into Italy in the 19th century.

Where is steak-frites?

The mushroom steak comment in the lead footnotes a recipe, which is not an RS. The body section is a bit better, but not much. What exactly makes something a steak alternative?

What is "chicken fried chicken"? It isn't discussed in the chicken-fried steak article that the Chicken steak section refers to.

Why are hip steak, shoulder blade steak, and chuck steak covered under Chicken steak? This is apparently a nickname for a chuck steak (??).

--Macrakis (talk) 03:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delist: Yeah, you're right, it's a crock. It reads as a right-wing tirade, almost a manifesto, gleefully ignoring balance and what the author(s) presumably felt were totally pointless and irrelevant conventions of citing sources or neutrality, in favour of a wholly point-of-view celebration of cutting slices of red meat directly from living cattle. The article doesn't need a bit of cleaning up: it needs deleting and rewriting from scratch. The sooner the misapplied GA is removed, the better. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:09, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delist Agree with the delist, although I didn't "smell" the right-wing tirade-ness of it. It mostly feels like a WP:OR brain dump, "stuff I know about steak and while I'm at it beef in general". --Macrakis (talk) 20:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]