Wikipedia:Peer review/Anole (comics)/archive1
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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like the article considered for FA (or GA first, if that's how these procedures have to work, and later FA). I've incorporated the advice given from a class-grading review. The citations are all standardized compared to many WikiComics articles and the information has been trimmed to avoid trivial subjects and emphasize character history and real-world analysis and importance. Recent improvements are noted in the Talk page.
This is my first time taking an article through FA review. Any feedback or advice to further improve it would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Luminum (talk) 08:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
- Citing forums and "Elf Girl" is probably not goin to cut it. You might try searches like this. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well, the forums that were cited were actually discussions and feedback by the authors of the title with fans, hence I believed that their conversations carry notable weight as sources, especially since they've been linked and archived. "Elf Girl" is the pen name of a staff writer of the review website PinkKryptonite.com. Given this information, do these issues still apply and if so, how else can these sources be legitimized? Even the cited Comicbook Resources article draws its source material from the forum posts. Thanks for responding and for any additional feedback you can offer!Luminum (talk) 03:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well, the forums will probably be OK for GA and not for FA. Spoo had three FA reviews and an AfD before it was demoted from FA and settled on being a GA. Read a small amount of Wikipedia:Featured article review/Spoo/archive2 if you want to feel the massive drama caused by forum refs. I don't see anything on pinkkryptonite.com to indicate that its reliable. Finding an about page would be the first place to look (hopefully it has editors (who double check the writer's work) and an editorial policy that the public can see), and seeing if normal reliable sources use it for info would be the second if you want to keep it. Here is a good search for RSs. Google news's and wikipedia's rules on reliable sources aren't exactly the same, but they're mildly close. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Since I couldn't find an about page, I did a quick news search for pkrypt.com here. Two of the hits seem to indicate that it has at least one editor, and comicbookresources trusts it, at least a little bit. I would say it's borderline GA, no go for FA. Basically, not to be a downer, and this isn't what I think is right, but I think GA is as far as this character is likely to go. LGBT stuff has a lot better chance than normal comic characters, but google books doesn't have anyone really analyzing it, which probably would have been what you needed without better newspaper/news sites articles. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Well, the forums that were cited were actually discussions and feedback by the authors of the title with fans, hence I believed that their conversations carry notable weight as sources, especially since they've been linked and archived. "Elf Girl" is the pen name of a staff writer of the review website PinkKryptonite.com. Given this information, do these issues still apply and if so, how else can these sources be legitimized? Even the cited Comicbook Resources article draws its source material from the forum posts. Thanks for responding and for any additional feedback you can offer!Luminum (talk) 03:07, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Comment: GA is way easier than FA to pass, so you might want to aim for that. Also, see our GA drive to see what else is going on, on that front. BOZ (talk) 04:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Speaking of which, LGBT themes in comics recently became a GA, so you might want to use that as some kind of inspiration? Maybe some sources in there that might prove useful? BOZ (talk) 04:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for all the feedback from the both of you. I'm new to navigating an attempt at FA, so it's good to know that it's difficult and have an understanding of the odds. Thanks for the referral to LGBT themes in comics and the advice about editorial systems for sources.Luminum (talk) 06:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- I have no idea why you chose anole, but if you're looking to get an LGBT comics character up to FA, Northstar is probably the one with the best chance. (Only counting US comics, I don't know foreign comics very well). For instance, google books returns some nice refs. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 06:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- In all honesty, Anole is an easier character to write an article on, since his material is limited and current compared to Northstar's years of material and involvement in the Marvel Universe and I just don't have the resources and the time I would need to gather and sift through that material. I would like to work on Northstar, especially in tandem with people who know him better than I do (I'm most familiar with his X-Men+ years, not his extensive Alpha Flight years), but for now, I wanted to put my energy into a relatively new LGBT character who's currently being utilized in the franchise and has some buzz and impact. Northstar, though my favorite, has to sit on the shelf.Luminum (talk) 07:01, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- You're doing things in the right order: small to big. Northstar would probably require several very dedicated editors. If you ever decide to tackle it, drop me a note on my talk page, and if I'm feeling frisky I might help. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 07:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- In all honesty, Anole is an easier character to write an article on, since his material is limited and current compared to Northstar's years of material and involvement in the Marvel Universe and I just don't have the resources and the time I would need to gather and sift through that material. I would like to work on Northstar, especially in tandem with people who know him better than I do (I'm most familiar with his X-Men+ years, not his extensive Alpha Flight years), but for now, I wanted to put my energy into a relatively new LGBT character who's currently being utilized in the franchise and has some buzz and impact. Northstar, though my favorite, has to sit on the shelf.Luminum (talk) 07:01, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- I have no idea why you chose anole, but if you're looking to get an LGBT comics character up to FA, Northstar is probably the one with the best chance. (Only counting US comics, I don't know foreign comics very well). For instance, google books returns some nice refs. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 06:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for all the feedback from the both of you. I'm new to navigating an attempt at FA, so it's good to know that it's difficult and have an understanding of the odds. Thanks for the referral to LGBT themes in comics and the advice about editorial systems for sources.Luminum (talk) 06:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)