Wikipedia:Peer review/Gilberto Gil/archive1

Gilberto Gil

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I've listed this article for peer review because I've recently done a pretty substantial overhaul of it and put it up at GAN (but who knows how long it will take to be reviewed). Looking for general advice—does information appear to be missing or presented in an awkward manner? is more media needed to make the article useful? etc.

Thanks, Kakofonous (talk) 17:40, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

dihydrogen monoxide

• The otheruses thing isn't really necessary
  • Done.
• Is he referred to as "Gil" in news/ministerial stuff? I think you should use the name that they give him there (though I may be wrong)
  • He is—all the sources I've seen have used that name.
• Lead seems kinda long for a not-so-long article
  • Done.
• Prose is quite good (I'm only skimming, but yeah)
  • Thnx.
• "which spawned two hit singles." - I've been criticised for overusing that word...
  • Done.
• His politics career began during his music career? Might want to talk about how he did both at the same time...?
• wikinews:Brazilian Minister of Culture says that he smoked marijuana until the age of 50 hasn't been mentioned yet?
  • Done. --Kakofonous (talk) 14:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah...I might do a better read through another day. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 04:57, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks again, and for reviewing one of my GANs. --Kakofonous (talk) 13:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Laser brain

This is a very good article and I enjoyed reading about Gil. I am having a hard time reconciling this against other GA's or FA's about musicians, and I strongly feel that this is an article about a man who is primarily a musician and secondarily a politician. As such, if you look at other well-done articles about musicians, some have a section like "Musical style" that describes their style and influences. You have integrated some prose about Gil's style and influences into different parts of his Biography, but I'm not sure I agree that is the right approach. Check out, for example, Alison Krauss. Since there is a lot of information available about Gil's style and influences, consider making this its own heading.

• Done. --Kakofonous (talk) 19:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • This and your other changes look fantastic! It seems that it is not the practice at peer review to "strike" comments but I consider most of them addressed other than where you indicated you are still working. I think a content note would be fine for the arrest bit - I know readers will want to know more information, or at least that reliable information is not available per se. --Laser brain (talk) 03:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

More comments:

• Check comma usage throughout.. there is a lot of stylistic but ungrammatical usage.
  • Working...
    • Think I've got most—if not all—of them, but not completely sure.
      • I did not see any others while scanning the article. If I happen to catch any, I will fix them. --Laser brain (talk) 03:14, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• "Gil has held the post of Minister since 2003..." Omitting the words "of Minister" really has the same clarity since you just said it in the last sentence.
  • Done.
• Wikilink the first mention of Salvador?
  • Linked in the parenthetical DOB thing in the lead and in the first body paragraph.
• "However Gil was eventually imprisoned by the Brazilian military government of the time, along with Veloso." Suggest providing a bit more context here even though it is the lead. It's quite a jump from playing music to suddenly being in prison. See my other comment about the arrest below.
  • Changed to "After meeting Caetano Veloso in 1963 Gil began performing and touring regularly, becoming a major figure in the 1960s Tropicalismo movement with him. Highly political, it was deemed threatening by the military regime in Brazil and Gil was eventually imprisoned along with Veloso."
• "Gil eventually returned to Bahia in 1972 and continued his musical career, as well as working as an advocate for environmental issues and in politics." Wikilink Bahia, first mention. Mixed verb tenses here affect readability.. "continued" and "working".
  • Done.
• "Though he was born in Salvador, Gil spent much of his childhood in Ituaçu, relatively near to it." Maybe say "...Gil spent much of his childhood in nearby Ituaçu."
  • Done.
• "Gil met guitarist and singer Caetano Veloso at the Universidade Federal da Bahia (English: Federal University of Bahia) in 1963, with whom he immediately began collaborating and performing." The way this is written, it sounds like Gil was collaborating and performing with the University.
  • Done.
• In the lead, you say Gil earned his living through non-musical pursuits in the early 1960s, but later in the Early years section you say he was writing jingles. That is a musical pursuit.
  • Done.
• About Gil being arrested again.. there has got to be another dimension to this story. You can't just say that someone was arrested for no reason and leave it at that. Surely the government gave an official reason, even if it was believe to be bogus? More research needed, as it sounds POV as is.
  • There are quite a few conflicting stories about what happened—some say with no reason given ([1]), some that it was for "degrading the national flag and Brazil's anthem" ([2]), "because of his art" ([3])… Perhaps a content note or similar would be helpful?
    • Added two notes.
• "...before being freed if they left Brazil." Maybe say, "...before being freed on the condition they would leave Brazil." Again, this suggests there is more to the story than you wrote about.
  • See above.
• "He became inspired by African music, and later integrated some of the styles he had heard in Africa into his own recordings." Examples?
  • I didn't write this particular section and as such do not have the necessary resources to find these examples...I'll do some poking around.
• I'm not an expert on formatting sources, but a couple of yours are missing authors. I think if the author is unknown, maybe it should be listed as "Staff" which I have seen done on some FA's. --Laser brain (talk) 18:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Done. --Kakofonous (talk) 18:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)