Wikipedia:Peer review/Histon F.C./archive1
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I've listed this article for peer review because there have been numerous issues where I and another editor have been going backwards and forwards trying to achieve some kind of compromise and I would appreciate the input of third parties in order to settle our various disagreements over often fairly minor points.
Thanks, Dancarney (talk) 09:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Comments from User:Eddie6705
[edit]- Would it not be better to put the 5 kilometres in brackets as miles are used more commonly for distances in England.
- The 2007-08 in the infobox could be linked to Football Conference 2007-08.
- The sentance, 'after having won and been promoted from the Conference South in 2006-07' would make more sense if worded something like, 'having been promoted as champions from the Conference South...'.
- How far are you hoping to improve the article, GA perhaps? Eddie6705 (talk) 16:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Just some quicky points on initial viewing.
- Use endashes for seasons, e.g. 2007–08. User code – instead of hyphens per WP:DASH
Done
- The history section is completely recentist. The first 96 years are given just as much as the last eight.
- References should also quote the date of publication. Peanut4 (talk) 20:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
General overview: If you want something to aim for, have a look at the featured articles Margate F.C. or Leek Town F.C., which are about small club which reached the dizzy heights of the Conference for the first time in very recent years. Relatively more space goes to the interesting bits of the club's history, and relatively less to the leagues-nobody's-heard-of bits - it would be very dull otherwise - but they show how it's possible to achieve a reasonable balance.
No-one's expecting you to reach that quality of article straightaway, it depends on the availability and quality of sources, but you do need to try for balance. Histon F.C. allocates 20 words to the first 56 years of its history, 100 to the next 30. The 21st century gets nearly 600. The ground section mentions nothing before 2007. I realise all the highlights of the club's life appear to have come in the last few years, but you need to cut some of the recent detail.
Technical stuff: a read of the Manual of Style would help. Some general stuff:
- The lead section is supposed to give an outline of the article. WP:LEAD says that information shouldn't appear in the lead if it's not going to be covered in the article proper. You could use the Chivers stuff to expand the early history and the ground sections, and the changing rivalries could be expanded on (?)
- Dates: pick a format (either 29 May 2008 or May 29, 2008) and stick to it, and don't say "on the 29 May 2008".
- Dashes (see WP:DASH): use an endash, not a hyphen, in scorelines and seasons; it's a longish dash, next to Insert in the edit window, or you can write it
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Done - Numbers: normally you write numbers up to ten in words, so you'd say "Histon finished the season in seventh, one place and nine points away from the play-offs".
- Wikilink the first mention of anything that needs linking, but once per section is enough.
- Images: nice picture of the ground, but I'd caption it something like "Bridge Road Main Stand (or whatever it is) in October 2007", there's too much detail as it stands. Done
One really important thing: Reliable sources. I've removed one item from the 20th century section which was pretty-well libellous given it had no reliable source. Sources are essential for anything likely to be challenged, and anything that sounds like original research, like Graham Daniels regretting his move to Cambridge City.
Don't be disheartened; Wikipedia takes a bit of getting used to, and the rules are different from writing for a fansite or a club's site. hope some of this helps, cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)