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List of Big Brother (U.S.) HouseGuests

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I've listed this article for peer review because I'd like to get feedback for improvement before nominating this list for featured status. The list is similar to List of Survivor contestants and List of American Idol finalists (both FL-class). Thanks! --Another Believer _(Talk) 20:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now realizing this peer review should have probably been directed to the Arts section, as opposed to the Everyday Life section. Big Brother is hardly artistic, but perhaps media/TV lists and articles are better suited there. My apologies...

One quick question. I know duplicate linking is generally frowned upon, but is accepted in tables. In this case, I linked all occasions of home towns and states. However, I did not do the same for duplicate mentions of occupations--only the first instance was linked (for example, "waiter" would only be linked once). If it is preferred that each entry is linked, I can certainly do so. Also, wasn't sure if occupations should be linked as often as possible, or only the more specialized positions. --Another Believer _(Talk) 01:14, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ruhrfisch comments: This is not a show I have watched, but this list seems decent. Here are some suggestions for improvement.

My understanding is that lists no longer begin with "This is a list of..." - it might be worth looking at WP:WIAFL as the criteria have changed recently.
Avoid words like "to date" in the lead - use things like "As of June 2009" instead as things can become outdated.

Done.

The lead seems to be a bit short although I am not sure what else could be added to it.

I agree. Me either. I am thinking perhaps some commentary on a couple of the abnormalities, such as why certain HouseGuests were expelled, have two eviction dates, or left the show (walked).

Done. Will add more if required during the FL nomination.

Links in the table are not consistent, for example Mother and Roofer both have articles but are not linked in the table.
I also note that at least one name is not consistent when cited multiple times - it is "Chicken" George Boswell in the photo caption, just George Boswell in Season 1, and George "Chicken" Boswell in Season 7. Be consistent.

Ok--this I was not sure about. The website for Big Brother 7 actually has George listed as "Chicken" George, which is why in the table he is listed with the nickname for Season 7 but not for Season 1. As for the image, I went ahead and put "Chicken" George since he is often referred to in that manner during the show. Any suggestions?

I would pick one name and stick with it consistently. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One of the biggest problems is that there are a number of copyrighted images that need a fair use rationale to be included here. My guess is that at WP:FLC most fair use images would not be seen as allowed under WP:NFCC - they are just uses as illustrations which is not sufficient for fair use here.

Hmmm... I am not too familiar with how images work on Wikipedia. I just saw them being used in other articles, so I copied the file name to make this list look better. We'll see what happens during the FL nomination process.

I can guarantee that the images at least need Fair Use rationales for this article. There are 8 images currently and 2 are free. The other six are copyrighted and need to qualify under fair use. Criteria 3a at WP:NFCC is Minimal usage. Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information I do not see how six non-free pictures enhance understanding - they are being used more as decoration (especially when there are two free images already). My guess is the best image to try and get in for Fair Use would be one that shows all cast members for a season. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would somehow list which previous season the all stars were in in the table - perhaps the season number could follow their name in parentheses, so George "Chicken" Boswell (1)
I would somehow explain how someone can be evicted twice - so in Season 6 the entry for "Kaysar Ridha" has her Evicted Day 33 and Evicted Day 47 - and there are others like this. I would mention this possibility in the lead and use footnotes to explain specific cases like this.

~~Will do.~~ Done.

Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for your assistance. Feel free to leave additional comments or replies if you wish. Much appreciated, and best wishes! --Another Believer _(Talk) 03:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are very welcome - I replied above. Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 19:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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