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Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral

This peer review discussion has been closed.
I've listed this article for peer review because I wan't to know what can be done to get the article up to scratch.

Thanks, Tsange ^►talk 15:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Brianboulton comments: I am always interested in Liverpool-related articles, since I spent a good part of my childhood there. I see that you are active in Project Merseyside, and good luck to you with that. This article, however, needs a lot of attention. I have mainly restricted my comments to the lead, where it seems to me there is considerable confusion.

• Lead: I assume that this article is about the current Liverpool Metropolitan Cathedral, the only Catholic cathedral that has been consecrated in Liverpool. It is OK to have a short history section telling the story of the earlier attempts to build a Roman Catholic Cathedral in Liverpool, but to read in the lead that "The cathedral was built in 1856 in St. Domingo Road in Liverpool where it provided 74 years of service until it was moved to its current site at Brownlow Hill..." is misleading and inaccurate.
  • First, the cathedral that is the subject of this article was built in the 1960s, not 1856.  Fixed
  • Secondly, no cathedral was built in St. Domingo Road – your own text says that only the Lady Chapel was completed and was used as a local parish church.
  • Thirdly, cathedrals cannot be "moved" from one site to another as if they were transportable objects.
  • Fourthly, the impression given by this sentence is that the Brownlow Hill site came into use in 1930, when in fact the only usable part of Lutyens's design - the crypt - wasn't finished until 1958.
  • The infobox lists Pugin, Lutyens and others as architects of the cathedral. They were architects involved in versions of the cathedral that were never built, and in no way contributed to the architecture of the cathedral that was built.  Fixed
  • This sentence: "In recent years the cathedral has won many awards and titles for its architecture and tourist attractions, most notably it is a Grade II* listed building." There is no mention, anywhere in the article, of any architectural awards, and I don't know what is meant by "titles". The cathedral's status as a Grade II* listed building is not an award, nor is it "most notably", since there are more than 20,000 Grade II* buildings in the UK.

• Other points - not an exhaustive list
  • Calling E.W. Pugin "champion of the Gothic revival" is surely confusing him with his father Augustine Pugin  Fixed
  • "...near the other end of Hope Street"? A very odd description for a location.  Fixed
  • "world's largest dome": the comparative figures you give are heights - they have nothing to do with size.  Fixed
  • When you say "Work on Lutyens's design began..." I take it you mean that building work based on Lutyens's design began. Fixed
  • There are disambiguation links that need fixing. Click on the "disambig links" link in the toolbox on the top right of this page to see what needs fixing.  Done
  • See WP:ALT for guidance in writing proper alt text.

• References
  • Ref [3] does not work for me  Fixed
  • Refs [11] and [14] look like blogs
  • Anyway, [11] has the wrong url  Fixed
  • Several publisher details are incorrect.

Much good work here, but some way to go. The "B" rating (given, I think, before your involvement) looks optimistic - I would rate it Start-class. I suggest you address the above points and do the necessary rewriting and other adjustments. When you have done this, by all means leave a message on my talkpage and I will revisit the article.