Wikipedia:Peer review/Michael Sheen/archive2
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I've listed this article for peer review because I'd like feedback on what needs to be done to get this article to FA status. I nominated it as a FA a few months ago but it failed. It failed because no one offered feedback, so I'm a bit in the dark about what needs to be done to improve it. It was recently promoted to GA status.
Thanks, Popeye191 (talk) 15:48, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Ruhrfisch comments: Sorry it has take nme so long to review this. It looks a lot better than the last time I reviewed it, but there are still prose issues that would be a problem at FAC. Here are some suggestions for improvement.
- The most difficult criterion for most articles to meet at FAC is 1a, a professional level of English. I will try to point as many examples as I can of places where the prose could be improved.
- I note that his name (Sheen) is used only twice in the lead, but seven sentences there start with "He". I think in a biography the subject's name should be used at least once per paragraph so the antecedent for pronouns (like he) is clear.
- I still think some more context could be provided - although they are linked, I am not really sure who Kenneth Williams and Brian Clough are, so could one or two word descriptive phrases be added?
- I know screen includes television as well as movies, but would it make sense to note 30 ROck is a tv show in the lead?
- The lead is the summary and as such should have the more general comments, with the specifics in the body of the article. However the end date of his run as Hamlet is given only in the lead that I can see
- WOuld it make sense to add a "since YEAR" to this? He lives in Los Angeles, California. so He has lived in Los Angeles, California since 2005.
- Although it is pretty clear from context, should the quote "It was a brilliant youth theatre, and it taught me not only a lot about acting, but also about work ethic; it was very disciplined."[12] be attributed to Sheen?
- MOS says to have the link at fist occurrence (so look at London in Early life, which is linked on the third occurrence) and the article also needs to be consistent - why say "London, England" on the third use in a section when it was just LOndon before?
- The MOS says Decades are written in the format the 1980s, with no apostrophe. Use the two-digit form ('80s) only with an established social or cultural meaning. Avoid forms such as the 1700s, which may be ambiguous. so fix things like "Sheen worked predominantly in theatre in the nineties and has since remarked that ..."
- Article uses "also" 22 times, whcih seems a bit much - cannot change it in direct quotes obviously...
- In Career it was not always clear to me when he was doing stage work or film work or television work - I think when it is a series of performances in the same medium it is OK, but I would make it clearer when he switches to something new - this is done well in some places but in others it is not as clear
- I wondered if some other pictures could be added - there are several of him on Commons, but there are free images of Tony Blair and Kate Beckinsale that could be used in the 2002–2006: The Deal, The Queen and Fantabulosa section (Blair) and in the Personal life section (Kate)
- Or is there a nice photo of Port Talbot or the RADA for Early life?
- I have seen Awards as a table in many articles - would that help here?
- Please make sure that the existing text includes no copyright violations, plagiarism, or close paraphrasing. For more information on this please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches. (This is a general warning given in all peer reviews, in view of previous problems that have risen over copyvios.)
Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 05:11, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Second look - the more I thought about this, the more I thought it is pretty close to FA already with some prose polish and minor MOS fixes needed. I am re-reading it and here is what I am noticing.
- Lead seems to need more polish than the rest of the article.
- MOS says to use numbers if greater than 10, so "age of twelve" needs to be fixed (age of 12)
- I like the new images - the "upright" parameter can be used on vertical images to make them a bit narrower.
- The upright paramet will probably help, but I would also try to keep images within the sections they are in - currently on my monitor every second image in a section overalps at least a little bit - this is barely an issue for the Old Vic, but the image of Kate Beckinsale is pushed halfway into the Awards section
Please let me know when this is at FAC. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)