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Princeton Tigers men's lacrosse

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I've listed this article for peer review because I am having trouble figuring out how to format the text in the NCAA section. Each year is very short, but the overall text should probably be broken up. I don't see logical breakpoints. Other text review would also be helpful.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I have reformated the prose as a table in the NCAA section but would still appreciate other feedback.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:59, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Quick comment: The article's title looks incomplete. Why not add "team"? Brianboulton (talk) 16:51, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I am just going with the convention. See {{Ivy League men's lacrosse}}. Also, it is common for season articles to have the word team but for general article to be without it. I do a lot of work on Michigan Wolverines football and Michigan Wolverines men's basketball. Season articles for those are 2009 Michigan Wolverines football team and 2009-10 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Finetooth comments: This generally reads well. Here are a few suggestions.

• To reduce the number of short sections and subsections in the lower parts of the article, I would try using plain prose paragraphs and just one head, "Statistical accomplishments". No matter how you arrange this material, it's basically just a list of statistics, and it would look better, I think, as prose. Here's an example of what I mean:

Ryan Boyle holds Ivy League records for single-season assists (32 in 2003), career assists (86 in 2001–04), and career points (120 in 2001–04). The team holds league records for single-game goals allowed (1, vs. Penn in 1970) and single-season goals allowed (12 in 1957).

• • Converted.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:01, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
• Using a combination of prose and tables or maybe just all prose might also work for the "Honors" section. You'd have to play around to see what looks best.

• Quibbles and nudges:

"They have since won ten consecutive Ivy League titles... " - I think you are correct to use "it" rather than "they" in the first sentence of the lead and that "they" should be "it" in this sentence as well. Ditto for anyplace else in the article where the singular "Princeton" or "team" is referred to as "they".

Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:00, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

"The school has 7 Ivy League Players of the Year and 9 Ivy League Rookies of the Year." - Since 7 and 9 are smaller than 10, I'd use "seven" and "nine" in this sentence per Manual of Style guidelines.

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:02, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

A lot of hyphens in the date ranges in the lower sections hadn't been changed to en dashes. I boldly ran a script to fix them.

Should the "Notes" column of the NCAA Tournament History be unsortable? The sort doesn't seem to have a use.

Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:10, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

"by the NCAA who reprimanded him" - "Which" rather than "who" in this note?

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:10, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

"first threepeat since 1988–90" - Link or explain "threepeat"?

done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I would not redlink Scott Bacigalupo twice. I'm not sure if any others are double-linked.

Is it likely that someone will write separate articles on all of the red-linked players? If not, I'd suggest reducing the number of red links by deleting the links.

I made 12 new articles.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:14, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

"Matt Bailer Face-off  % – 1 of 9 players to have won all of his face-offs" - The symbol, %, should be spelled out as "percent" here.

Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:14, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

"where he participated in 10 or more (12, 4/15/00, vs. Harvard)" - The meaning of (12, 4/15/00, vs. Harvard) is unclear.

fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:14, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

• Seven of the citation links are dead.

I hope these suggestions prove helpful. If so, please consider reviewing another article, especially one from the PR backlog at WP:PR; that is where I found this one. I don't usually watch the PR archives or check corrections or changes. If my comments are unclear, please ping me on my talk page. Finetooth (talk) 19:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

GrapedApe's review

• There doesn't appear to be an article for the Class of 1952 Stadium, which seems like a good candidate for an article.
  • That is somewhere down the list on articles to create. Thanks for pointing it out though.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:37, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
• The lead should be a summary of the main body of the article. Therefore, there shoudln't really be any references in the lead, since any facts there have sources in the main body. Make sure there's nothing in the lead that's not in the body. See WP:Lead.
  • The lead should address the history prior to 1990. All sections in the article should be dealt with in the lead.
  • The lead is confusing, since it starts with the 1990s and then moves to pre-1990s before going back to recent times.
    • Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
• The history section should be expanded, if possible.
  • From the online source that I am using I have maxed it out. It is quite thin on pre-1990 history.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
  • "voted national champion six times" needs a cite. Actually, there are a lot of facts in this history that need references
    • Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
• Under :"Honors," make it clear whether these are Princeton or national awards.
  • Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
• Any pictures possible?
  • I have no pictures of any Princeton player playing as Tigers. The only two images I am aware of are of players playing as pros or of pro athletes out of uniform. Will look further.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
• Also, I think it's considered bad form to have a GAN and peer review running at the same time. Especially since there's along wait at GA reviews.
  • It is FAC and PR simultaneously that is forbidden.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
  • -_\-GrapedApe (talk) 04:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)