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St Cristiolus's Church, Llangristiolus

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I've listed this article for peer review because I'd like to get it, and other articles in the series (in the "See also" section), to GA standard and I'd appreciate some outside eyes on what I'm doing. That way, I can make any necessary changes from your inspired comments now, rather than waiting until I've written about all 73 listed churches on Anglesey! Thanks for your time, Bencherlite^Talk 10:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Ruhrfisch comments: I think this looks pretty close to GA already, here are some suggestions for improvement and possible expansion, especially since this is the model article for a series on the churches on Anglesey. I realize some of the questions I ask below are probably just not answerable, but if the information is available, I think it would be good to include it in the article.

• Source 8 says the village gets its name from the church - I think that is worth mentioning in the article
  • Added
• Is anything more known about St Cristiolus as the namesake? Could even a sentence or two on legends about the founder / namesake be added?
  • All that the sources I've used for articles on other saints e.g. Elaeth say about Cristiolus is that he was around in the 7th century, founded the church, and was related to people that we don't have articles on... No legends that I can see, alas! I've added a little bit anyway.
• I know the earliest date for ancient churches will often be known from the first mention of the church in written records - is there any more background like that here?
  • Not that I've spotted in the histories so far, but I'll keep my eyes peeled. Some of the Anglesey churches, for example, are said to have been recorded in the Norwich Taxation of 1254, so I expect this one was recorded as well, but I can't say for certain.
• The article on the new vicar says that attendance is low there - is there any other information on the size of the parish (number of members, average attendance, etc)? For some American denominations this is available online, not sure about the Church in Wales. In general is there more information on usage of the church that could be added?
  • I don't think the CinW tends to publish the statistical data that it gets (too depressing, probably...) I've added about the pattern of services, which is about all there is.
• Are there any notable former or current parishioners?
  • Added a couple of names of dead people linked to the church with their own articles; no idea, unfortunately, about notable current parishioners.
• The external link of photos of the church shows the graveyard - can this be mentioned in the article? Is anyone notable buried there or inside?
  • I'll work something in; I took a photo of one gravestone because it's mentioned in one of my print sources as being of a noted preacher Richard Owen so I'll try and get a little article about him out of the material.
• Could photos of the interior be obtained? At least for the Commons page? My guess is that the architectural plans are old enough that their copyright has expired (so it could on Commons too)
  • I stopped off last week on my way past but understandably the church was locked. There aren't any internal shots on Geograph or Flickr or the external link, alas. As for the architectural plans, they would be out of copyright but there's a very real question in UK copyright law as to whether photographs of out-of-copyright plans or pictures gain an independent copyright. I know that the situation in the US is that no new copyright is greated, but I also know that there was a huge fuss last year when the National Gallery in London complained about its photos appearing on Commons; I don't know what happened in the end, but I'm not too comfortable about copying and uploading them to Commons. There's no real space for them in the article, and they work quite nicely on the external link anyway.
• I think the same six preceding general questions/points could probably be asked for most articles on historic churches on Anglesey (if this is a model)
  • Indeed, very helpful.
• I also thing there may be some general information that could be added to the article:
  • Could a few sentences on Anglesey and its history be added? When did Christianity arrive there?
    • Good idea, I think one of my Anglesey history books will have something about that.
  • How about a navigation box at the bottom for all 73 listed churches on Anglesey?
    • I have one in my userspace at the moment (User:Bencherlite/Template:Anglesey churches), but with only a handful of blue links at the moment it looks a little "unready for mainspace", shall we say! It'll eventually replace the "See also" section, of course.
  • I realize the parish website is used as ref 2, but the church has a website too - see here. Should this be an External link? Should the frequency of services be mentioned?
    • Done. The website was already in the infobox, but is now also in the EL section for good measure.
  • Anything that can be said about the village? What is its population? Notable history?
    • I can't immediately find anything exciting, or even the current population figures: most Anglesey villages are just too small to appear by themselves in the census statistics, for example.

Not too much else I can think of. The writing is nice and flows reasonably well. Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 04:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for your usual very helpful review. Bencherlite^Talk 10:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

This looks good to go to me. Glad to help - I enjoyed the article and really like the phots - good luck on all 73! Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 15:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)