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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

The LDS Church is an important article on the history of American Christianity. With millions of adherents, it is an important topic for Wikipedia to cover completely, fairly, and accurately. I've been working on it actively for the better part of 2 years and it's come a long way in that time. It is currently listed as a GA, but it's changed significantly since being listed last year. I hope to get feedback on the article as it now stands. I would also like feedback if it is close or still a long way from FA status.

Thanks in advance for your help in reviewing.

Thanks, Trevdna (talk) 23:18, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

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I suggest that, since this is your first FAC, that you seek the help of a mentor, who can help give feedback on this article. I also encourage you to review articles at WP:FAC as soon as possible: this will build goodwill among FAC reviewers and will help you learn about the intricacies of the FA criteria. Z1720 (talk) 16:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Comments from Z1720

Some quick comments after a skim, mostly of the sources:

• Watch out for MOS:SANDWICH among your images. The images in the beginning of "History" need to be reorganised, and in "Programs and organizations"
• Generally, quotes from the sources are not necessary in the notes and references. Remove them unless absolutely necessary, as the reader can look for the exact quote from the source themselves, and will make the sources easier to read.
• "History.com" will likely be challenged at an FAC.
• Ref 19 (Marquardt 2005), Ref 23 (Howe 1833), Ref 28 (Arrington 1992), Ref 30 (Brooke 1994), Ref 32 (Remini 2002) Ref 39 (Widmer 2000, Roberts 1909) all don't point to a reference in the "Bibliography" section, so I do not know what these references are.
• Ref 266: The author parameters need to be fixed
• All refs should have an author listed, if given in the source.
• Ref 260: Why are two refs listed together?
• Ref 255 and Ref 258 (MormonNewsroom.org) seem to be the same web page, so these should be merged.
• Ref 253 should be a cited note, not in the references.
• There are a lot of refs listed in the "Further Reading" section. Why are these not used in the article, especially the ones published by various universities? These would be considered high-quality sources. Usually, FAs do not want any sources listed in a Further Reading section because it signifies that the article is not comprehensive.
• Williams, Drew (2003) can probably be removed from Further Reading.
• Some of the sources in the Bibliography (Introvigne and Peterson) do not have citations pointing to them, and should probably be fixed.

I think that the unused sources in Further Reading should be included before this runs as a FAC, and look for higher quality sources like academic journals or books published by universities to replace some of the lower-quality sources used in the article. Hopefully, these comments help. Z1720 (talk) 03:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your input! -Trevdna (talk) 04:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Comments from FormalDude

• "6.7 million US members as of 2021" in the lede used a primary source, can we find something more independent?
• The lede in general contains very little history about the church, I think more should be added in that aspect. Take a look at the lede of History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for inspiration.
• Citations to newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org are not independent and should be avoided whenever possible.
• Citation 73 to latterdaysaintcharities.org is not reliable.
• Citations 205 and 219 are not reliable per WP:FORBESCON.
• Citation 105 is not reliable per WP:NEWSWEEK.
• No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith is not a reliable source.
• Citation 128 to Gospel Topics Essays should not be used as that source is only acceptable to demonstrate an official viewpoint of the LDS Church.

––FormalDude (talk) 10:57, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your input as well! -Trevdna (talk) 05:39, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Happy to advise, Trevdna. As for your question about FA readiness and where the articles stands now: I think it would pass GAR and that FA is achievable with some hard work and dedication. Also, there is a dynamic list of the reliability of various LDS sources at WP:LDS/RS that you may find helpful. ––FormalDude (talk) 05:55, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Trevdna: It has been almost two months since the last comment. Are you still interested in receiving feedback? If so, I suggest posting requests on the talk pages of Wikiprojects that are attached to this article. Z1720 (talk) 02:20, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

No, I think this is plenty, thanks. Is there further action needed on my part to archive the peer review? Sorry if I missed needed action, this is my first PR request for many years. Trevdna (talk) 04:25, 28 December 2022 (UTC)