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Tiruchirappalli

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This peer review discussion has been closed.
I've listed this article for peer review because the article is presently a GA and I intend to take it to an FAC. Most of the gaps have been filled and issues, fixed. However, there might be some which might have escaped my eye. Also, I wish to get some creative feedback from fellow editors before proceeding further. Thanks, Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 05:26, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

• Ravichandar, I read through the article once. My impression is that the content is satisfactory with supporting references. Some amount of copyediting can make it fit for an FAC, I think. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 17:04, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've requested some expert help in this regard :-) I request you, too, to help in improving the prose and replace sentences which are poor.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 15:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Redtigerxyz's comments

• File:Abhishek Raghuram et al 31A.jpg may need replacement. It is unclear, dark and grainy.

   Done-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 19:09, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

• Please archive all web links: using http://wayback.archive.org/ or http://www.webcitation.org/. Web references die an early death.
• "Tiruchirappalli is believed to have been named after the three-headed demon Trishira of Hindu mythology who is believed to have indulged in penance and obtained favours at this place." in lead seems promotion of 1 POV. The etymology is not universally accepted.

•  Done-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 16:54, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

• "In 1736, the last Madurai Nayak ruler Meenakshi committed suicide and Tiruchirappalli was conquered by Chanda Sahib[23] who ruled the kingdom from 1736 to 1741 when he was captured and imprisoned by the Marathas." Break sentences like this one, where 3 things are combined making the sentence confusing.

•  Done-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 02:32, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

• "The idol of the Hindu god Ranganatha in the temple of Srirangam disappeared at about this time and was not recovered and reinstated until more than fifty years later" seems to be a WP:UNDUE. A notable fact may be establishment of the temple and flourishing of the place as a temple town

  The invasion of Srirangam is an important event in the history of the city and there are ample legends and folklores associated with it. The article Sri Ranganathaswamy Temple, Srirangam contains whole paragraphs on the subject which I've condensed to a single line. On the contrary, a description of how the place "flourished" would consume a few paragraphs and would end up violating both WP:UNDUE as well as WP:NPOV. Srirangam is after all just one of Tiruchi's four zones. I've accordingly added a couple of lines on its architecture in the Arts and culture section and a few lines on urban planning in "Geography" section. Most of the stuff on the origins of the temple are mythological and there is almost nothing available on the historical origins of the temple.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 19:09, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

• WP:OVERLINK: Rockfort, Tamil Nadu is linked numerous times. Linking irrelevant things like winter, fog, dew, reservoir, bazaar. Removed some
• A map of city may be included.

  There is already a map of the city in the article-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 19:09, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Saw that. It is a historical map (1955). Is it still accurate? Also, Srirangam Island is not included. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:50, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

The merger of Srirangam and Golden Rock with Tiruchi took place only in 1994 which is why even Golden Rock is shown as a separate township. But there have not been many new localities or suburbs since 1955. Well, the only accurate and reliable maps of Tiruchi that are available are published by the government and are copyrighted. Well, there are a couple of maps drawn by fellow Wikipedians but can we consider them to be as accurate and reliable as those published by government agencies. If it is "just another article" or a locator map, its okay. But can we use them for featured articles? -Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 15:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The 1994 fact needs to be in the article. Maps drawn by Wikipedians based on a RS would be considered reliable. The 1995 map is OK, if most info is concurrent. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:47, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The fact is there in the article in the "Administration and politics" section.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 16:53, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

• The lead needs a line or two about geography: like an island within the city and Kaveri need to be mentioned

   Done-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 15:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

• Spelling inconsistency: Kaveri/Cauvery

   Done —Commander _{(Ping me)} 10:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Redtigerxyz ^Talk 18:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

• The age of many references being than 80-100 years old is a cause of concern. Such dated references may be questioned at FAC. The grounds of questioning: These may/may not be concurrent or relevant. There may be newer developments/findings or consensus in scholars. e.g.
  • "Cash crops such as tobacco and a variety of fruits including grapes, mangoes and pineapples are also grown." (Annesley, James (1841)): Current crops may be different

     Done-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 02:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

  • "There are also sizeable populations of Gujaratis and Marwaris resident in the city" R. Burn, J. S. Cotton, ed (1908). Imperial Gazetteer of India.: They may not leaving any more

    Can you provide any source which claim that they don't live there anymore.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 18:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

     Done-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 04:16, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

     Done-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 02:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

  • "Most Muslims in the city are Labbays" ((1908). Imperial Gazetteer of India.) Other Mulsim communities may have migrated like Lankan Tamils

    Any sources to support it.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 18:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

     Done-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 04:16, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

     Done-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 02:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

  • Hemingway 1907.
  • Yule, Sir Henry; Burnell, Arthur Coke (1903).
  • Sastri, K. A. Nilakanta (2000) [1935]
  • Sathianathaier, R. (1924)
  • Caldwell, Robert (1881)
  • R. Burn, J. S. Cotton, ed (1908)
  • Moore, Lewis (1878).
  • Aiyangar, S. Krishnaswami (1921)
  • Subramanian, K. R. (1928). etc
• Some references do not have all necessary data: (All references should have author, year, publisher, isbn - if present, pages)
  • Tamil Culture: missing author, add ISBN
  • Rao, M. S. A.. Urban Sociology in India: add year
• Arrange references in alphabetical order of authors.

  •  Done-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 04:16, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

  I feel that it would be better if someone more knowledgeable on the subject comment on whether these authors are reliable or not. Deciding on the reliability of a source based on the date of publication sounds extremely amateurish.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 18:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

• Neutrality of references: "Rome of the East" needs a neutral reference, rather than Tamil Nadu Tourism Development Corporation Limited, who might have coined it to promote tourism

  I am removing the same.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 18:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 17:29, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

• • Hemingway 1907.- The Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition article on "Tiruchirappalli" is actually based on this.
  • Yule, Sir Henry; Burnell, Arthur Coke (1903). - Used as primary source in the article.
  • Sastri, K. A. Nilakanta (2000) [1935] - Source has been used in Chola Dynasty, History of Tamil Nadu, Raja Raja Chola I, Rajendra Chola I, Thanjavur
  • Sathianathaier, R. (1924) - Source has been used in Madurai Nayak Dynasty, Thirumalai Nayak
  • Caldwell, Robert (1881) - Source has been used in Kayalpatnam, Tirunelveli, Muhammed Yusuf Khan, Puli Thevar, Mangalorean regionalism
  • R. Burn, J. S. Cotton, ed (1908) - Imperial Gazetteer of India (The book has an article)
  • Moore, Lewis (1878).
  • Aiyangar, S. Krishnaswami (1921) - Source has been used in Madurai Sultanate, Jalaluddin Ahsan Khan, History of Tamil Nadu
  • Subramanian, K. R. (1928). etc - Source has been used in Thanjavur Maratha kingdom, History of Thanjavur, Kumbakonam, First Anglo-Mysore War.

Most of the authors whose books you considered "obsolete" are legendary historians. Some of the books you've mentioned such as The Cholas by Nilakanta Sastri (which is used in two featured articles and a B-class article), Sathianathaier's History of the Madurai Nayaks and Subramanian's The Maratha Rajas of Tanjore (used in a GA) are the best available books on the respective subjects. They form a part of the academic curriculum taught in graduate and post-graduate courses. And then, most of these old sources are used only in the "History" and "Geography" sections (of course, in eighty years you won't be able to see Tiruchi being transplanted to San Francisco). The rest of the sections rely almost entirely on contemporary sources.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 01:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I guess all the issues raised have been satisfactorily addressed. Are there any more comments forthcoming? If not, I'd rather suggest closing this review.-Ravi_{My Tea Kadai} 02:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)