Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rick Warren

Rick Warren

This Request for Mediation has been closed. This case was closed by: Sunray (talk) 06:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC). The reason given for closure was: Successful. Parties: If you wish to resume this mediation, please file a new request.

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Filed: 01:39, March 2 2009 (UTC)

Involved parties

1. Phoenix_of9 (talk · contribs), filing party
2. Teledildonix314 (talk · contribs)
3. Mike Doughney (talk · contribs)
4. Benccc (talk · contribs)
5. Lyonscc (talk · contribs)
6. Collect (talk · contribs)
7. Firestorm (talk · contribs), our cabal mediator, agreed to stick around [1]

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Articles involved

• Rick Warren (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Other steps in dispute resolution that have been attempted

• 1st RFC: [2]:
  • Talk:Rick_Warren/Archive_7#More_details_in_the_article_including_his_position_on_homosexuality.3F
• 2nd RFC: [3]:
  • Talk:Rick_Warren#Warren.2C_invocation.2C_views_on_homosexuality
• Cabal Case:
  • Talk:Rick_Warren#Mediation
  • Cabal case is kinda new, but we couldnt reach an agreement: [4]

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Issues to be mediated

The party filing this request uses this section to list the issues for mediation. Other parties can list additional issues in the section below.

• Rick Warren was chosen by US President Barack Obama for his inaugural invocation. This is a highly notable event, which created controversy. Currently, the article barely mentions the existence of a controversy and, without describing why. 1st issue is to agree on a text which describes and explains this controversy.
• How to mention Proposition 8 in the article.
• To include a quote of Warren from a Wall Street Journal interview or not. If yes, to agree on wording.
• Adding Warren's views on Civil Unions. Phoenix of9 (talk) 18:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I do not agree to this addition. It is thoroughly unneeded.--Lyonscc (talk) 18:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Agrreed -- adding material after the agreement to mediation has been finalized does not count. Collect (talk) 18:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Additional issues to be mediated

Other parties can use this section to list any others issues they wish to include in the mediation. Please do not modify or remove any other party's listing. Please sign all additions to this section if there are more than two parties involved in this case.

• Is material which primarily serves to note that Warren's theological positions are substantially the same as those of his denomination (Southern Baptist) relevant to the BLP? Collect (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
• Are positions taken on a church website (Saddleback Church) properly referred to in a BLP about a person when the material is not otherwise attributable to him? Collect (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
• Inclusion of a description, based on third-party accounts, of Warren's comments in the Beliefnet interview, where it was reported that Warren "compared the legalization of same-sex marriage to the legitimization of polygamy, incest and pedophilia." Mike Doughney (talk) 02:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
• Inclusion of information attempting to tie political and social policy views of James Dobson to Rick Warren.--Lyonscc (talk) 19:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Parties' agreement to mediate

All parties should sign below, indicating that they agree to mediate the issue. If any party fails to sign within seven days, or if a party indicates they do not agree, then the mediation will be rejected. Only "Agree" or "Disagree" and signatures should appear here; any comments will be removed, but can be made at the talk page.

1. Agree. Phoenix of9 (talk) 01:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
2. Agree Collect (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
3. Agree. Mike Doughney (talk) 02:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
4. Agree Benccc (talk) 03:23, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
5. Agree Firestorm ^Talk 05:40, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
6. Agree on behalf of Teledildonix who has requested here that I place this agreement for him whilst he is blocked for 7 days.--VS ^talk 06:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
7. Agree --Lyonscc (talk) 05:07, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Decision of the Mediation Committee

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Accept

For the Mediation Committee, Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 20:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Case taken. Sunray (talk) 15:58, 10 March 2009 (UTC)