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Template:CardsNum

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 02:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just stumbled across this "template" which has existed since 2011 and is just a random number... Unless I'm missing something, delete. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:38, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Excessive citations inline

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The result of the discussion was keep per WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) Partofthemachine (talk) 03:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template refers to Wikipedia:Citation overkill but that is an essay and lacks community consensus. Whereas forcing the bundling of references violates our MOS:RETAIN guideline. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

.Keep Although WP:Citation overkill is an essay it's only explaining things from elsewhere, for instance consecutive cites and bundling are already in Wikipedia:Citing sources. Excessive citation can also cause formatting and access issue. Such changes aren't in violation of WP:VAR (I meant MOS:VAR) as the underlying citations style remains the same. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 19:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The underlying citations remain the same, but the citation style is changed, which goes against our guideline. The use of bundling creates much greater formatting problems. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The style of citation stays the same, bundling doesn't change if they are text / formatted or inline / short. WP:BUNDLING is part of a guideline, discussions about changing it should happen on the relevant talk page -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 20:52, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not proposing to change it; I am proposing the deletion of a template that seeks to force its use in violation of WP:BUNDLING, which says that Sometimes the article is more readable if multiple citations are bundled into a single footnote. Equally often, it is not. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:BUNDLING and @ActivelyDisinterested:. (WP:VAR links to a section in Help:Magic words, did you mean somewhere else?) MOS:RETAIN makes no mention of references.--Launchballer 20:34, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:VAR: Sometimes the MoS provides more than one acceptable style or gives no specific guidance. When either of two styles is acceptable it is generally considered inappropriate for a Wikipedia editor to change from one style to another unless there is some substantial reason for the change. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes sorry I meant MOS:VAR, as MOS:RETAIN is the one about variations of English. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 20:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. What? This is primarily about removing citations. Many citations need to be absolutely annihilated. —Alalch E. 22:33, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Usually up to three citations are enough to support a statement. Too many citations may confuse the reader and may introduce contradictory viewpoints. HarukaAmaranth 07:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Recent experiences on my part indicate that some users tend to pile on refs as part of low-key WP:BLUDGEONing. Borgenland (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per above responses -MJ (talk) 17:41, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as excessive citation really is a semi-frequent problem – would any given editor disagree with this? Even without explicit enumeration in P&G, a problem of overcitation follows from WP:V just as readily as the problem of undercitation does, if obviously as less of a problem pragmatically. There's nothing controversial about having a template for it. Remsense ‥ 论 22:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I understand the OP, I believe the objection is the proposal of bundling as a solution for excessive citation. If that's the case, perhaps the best resolution would be a documentation change - use the template for cases where there are too many citations period, not when the tagger's desire is simply to have them formatted differently. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:39, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well yes, but when are there "too many citations period"? The examples in the essay are all extreme cases where there would be little doubt. Haruka has opined that three is quite reasonable and usual, so four would not be a valid use of the template. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But in those extreme cases it would - even where there is little doubt of a problem, someone needs to do the work of addressing that, and tagging helps connect that someone to it. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:54, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but we could in theory create a guideline/policy/whatever that deals with citebombs/refbombs. Note that bundling is often not the best way to deal with refbombs, it is often better to just remove some of the weakest cites (or all of 'em if its an OR problem). Polygnotus (talk) 05:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that @Hawkeye7:'s objection to this template has little to do with the template itself, but more with the essay. That can be fixed by adding a section header. Now when you read the essay the first suggestion is to remove the crap ones and "if there is a good reason to keep multiple citations" then they can be merged. Polygnotus (talk) 06:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the fact that it is an essay does not mean it lacks community consensus, that is not how things work around here. I can write an essay that says "fuck %insert extremely disliked person here%" and it will be an essay despite the fact that at least 99% of Wikipedians will agree with it. Polygnotus (talk) 07:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - there is nothing wrong with tagging a sentence for having excessive citations, and there is nothing wrong with bundling numerous cites either. I've seen many articles where a contentious label is used, and the numerous cites are bundled, stating - "attributed to multiple sources". I've also seen numerous cites bundled for phrases like "widely criticized" or "widely praised", again, stating - "attributed to multiple sources". And MOS:VAR doesn't forbid bundling numerous citations either. Isaidnoway (talk) 17:26, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Advert

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Promotional tone per the proposal set out by Alalch E., noting that the final target will not necessarily stay at {{Promotional tone}}. Primefac (talk) 13:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Advert with Template:Promotional tone.
{{Advert}} is rarely used on articles that actually read like adverts; what is most often (indeed, almost exclusively) meant is what is described by {{Promotional tone}} (aka {{Promo}}), which has a better name and better wording ("This article contains text that is written in a promotional tone." vs. "This article contains content that is written like an advertisement.". The use of {{Advert}} is thus often a cause of confusion among novice editors whose work is tagged with it. We certainly don't need two such templates. i also note that the category used by {{Advert}} is Category:Articles with a promotional tone; that {{Advert inline}} redirects to {{Promotion inline}}; and that {{Promotion}} redirects to {{Advert}}. I propose to redirect {{Advert}} to {{Promotional tone}}, and to have tools such as Twinkle updated accordingly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:05, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably what needs to happen is that {{advert}} needs to be page moved to the preferable title, not redirected, as the longer-standing template serving this function. Izno (talk) 05:31, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That won't address the sub-optimal wording (which is apparently the reason why {{Promo}} was forked in the first place). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 15:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2024 elections in the European Union

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 20:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These serve no useful purpose from what I can see, and the 2024 European Parliament elections are already all linked via {{European Parliament elections}}. I am not aware of any other templates linking all elections by year for a continent (probably as not many other people see a benefit in doing so). Number 57 20:12, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 15:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Should this template also include elections to regional parliaments when regional ministers are a member of the Council of the EU? In Belgium for example, regional ministers are a part of the Council on a rotational basis when the subject is one of their powers. If the regional ministers disagree they abstain. On the deletion nomination itself, I'm neutral. If the template is kept, it should be placed under the European Parliament template on European Parliament election pages (if it is included on them). Rolluik (talk) 12:05, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have changed my mind on my last point; it should never be added to European Parliament election pages. It could only be added to pages that document the composition of the Council of the EU (these don't exist yet, something similar to this) and they should then only include elections that have an influence on the composition (so national parliament elections and regional where it makes sense). Even then it is better to link to the national/regional government pages instead of the elections. The only case where I could see them added is articles like 2024 elections in the European Union but I don't think articles like it should exist. Rolluik (talk) 12:35, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and WP:OVERCAT. Polygnotus (talk) 07:19, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft delete While the template can be useful for navigation purposes, I think overall it is not the most suitable template to use. Articles like 2024 elections in the European Union are better at giving an overview of parliamentary elections and their effects on the EU institutions. Regardless of whether or not those articles should exist, I think there should be a list somewhere. Having a template implies that countries are administrative divisions of the EU, which is not the most accurate way of depicting it. Gust Justice (talk) 16:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Contains Tirhuta text

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Contains special characters. BOLDly merging these as the nominator is not opposed. If anyone objects, feel free to drop me a message and I will re-open this discussion, noting that I have removed current usage in these seven edits. Primefac (talk) 14:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Contains Tirhuta text with Template:Contains special characters.
Previously we had merged all of these related templates into {{Contains special characters}} (TfD here). These were uncategorized until recently so was missed from that list. Gonnym (talk) 13:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I feel like these could be BOLDly merged without the need for a TFD, given the precedent (and existence) of the primary template. Primefac (talk) 13:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gonnym, if you're not opposed, I'll just do that. Will wait for your reply. (please ping on reply) Primefac (talk) 13:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac I don't disagree with you about these being boldly merged, however I feel like that about most of my nominations, so I better err on sending them here :) Also I'm not opposed. Gonnym (talk) 13:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:PostScript name

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:31, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This template is a documentation template, but it's used on a /doc page which isn't where documentation should go. Either this is useful and should be converted to the template /doc page, or deleted. Gonnym (talk) 10:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Diplomatic missions of East Timor

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 17:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only contains 1 English entry. Pointless having a nav box for 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 09:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the navbox actually has three links. Two of them are, at present, to substantial articles on a foreign language Wikipedia that can be read in English by simply pressing the 'Google translate to English' button on the Google Chrome browser. Both of those articles could be published in translation on English Wikipedia. Instead of being lazy and pushing for deletion of this template, why don't you be productive and translate the foreign language articles linked to the other two links into two English Wikipedia articles? Bahnfrend (talk) 10:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the nominator's job to fix useless templates other editors create and calling them "lazy" is an unwarranted personal attack. why don't you be productive, they actually are far more productive then the editor that created this template as they are nominating for deletion things that should indeed be deleted. A navigation template should navigate between articles on en.wiki, not redirects or links to other sites. Add the single blue link to Template:Foreign relations of East Timor. Gonnym (talk) 11:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Diplomatic missions of Mozambique

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 17:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only contains 1 English entry. Pointless having a nav box for 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 09:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the navbox actually has three links. Two of them are, at present, to substantial articles on a foreign language Wikipedia that can be read in English by simply pressing the 'Google translate to English' button on the Google Chrome browser. Both of those articles could be published in translation on English Wikipedia. Instead of being lazy and pushing for deletion of this template, why don't you be productive and translate the foreign language articles linked to the other two links into two English Wikipedia articles? Bahnfrend (talk) 10:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the nominator's job to fix useless templates other editors create and calling them "lazy" is an unwarranted personal attack. why don't you be productive, they actually are far more productive then the editor that created this template as they are nominating for deletion things that should indeed be deleted. A navigation template should navigate between articles on en.wiki, not redirects or links to other sites. Add the single blue link to Template:Foreign relations of Mozambique. Gonnym (talk) 11:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Diplomatic missions of Mauritania

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 17:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only contains 1 English entry. Pointless having a nav box for 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 09:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the navbox actually has two links. One of them is, at present, to a substantial article on Japanese Wikipedia that can be read in English by simply pressing the 'Google translate to English' button on the Google Chrome browser. That article could be published in translation on English Wikipedia. Instead of being lazy and pushing for deletion of this template, why don't you be productive and translate the Japanese language article linked to the second link into an English Wikipedia article? Bahnfrend (talk) 10:26, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the nominator's job to fix useless templates other editors create and calling them "lazy" is an unwarranted personal attack. why don't you be productive, they actually are far more productive then the editor that created this template as they are nominating for deletion things that should indeed be deleted. A navigation template should navigate between articles on en.wiki, not redirects or links to other sites. Add the single blue link to Template:Foreign relations of Mauritania. Gonnym (talk) 11:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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